New Kirk or Evolving Kirk

Ickehawk

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I wasn't one who really bought into the 'new Kirk' thing last year, but after watching the first game this year I'm starting to think there is 'trend' in changing his thinking about participation, game planning, as well as recruiting that started in 2014 and continues today. Yes, KF has had some years where he has played a lot of freshman, but that was usually due to attrition and injuries but that doesn't seem to entirely be the case this year. In the past, he didn't start the year saying a lot of freshmen would play because they had played well enough to see the field, they just got inserted when he was running out of 'bodies', like an Al Reisner. Remember, this is the guy (KF) who in the recent past was lobbying for true freshmen to not even be eligible. I think he is seeing the writing on the wall that a lot of these freshmen are coming in much more 'prepared' to play due to improved S&C in high schools and all the camps kids are participating in these days. 10 have already seen the field and this wasn't even a very highly ranked class (although I think most of us 'liked' this class regardless what the 'services' said). With the class that's coming in next year, it will be really interesting to see the competition for playing time, and I will have to change my thinking about kids 'automatically' being red-shirted because there is already experience 'depth' at a position. I don't think in the past we would have seen Stanley get the opportunity he is with an experienced guy in front of him, and I'm not sure I agree with it as I don't see the point of burning his RS to hand off 4-5 times in mop-up duty, because unless CJ gets hurt, he may never see the field again this year and that would be a little bit of a shame. I will 'eat my crow' on Fant playing and not red-shirting. The youngsters behind Pekar must not be 'developing' very quickly allowing a very good athlete like Fant to jump them even though he is probably still pretty shaky on knowing the system, and if Wiz was healthy I'm not sure this happens.
He also continues to appear to be allowing Davis to be a little more aggressive at times (especially early in games, even against inferior opponents). A flea-flicker and a reverse early in the game? Obviously wanted to try to jump all over these guys so they could settle into their ball control offense, and I like that approach. It makes more sense than trying to grind it out right out the block allowing lesser teams to possibly 'stay in the game', and against better opponents, wouldn't it be better to attempt to jump all over them early instead of trying to make big plays late in close games (when the opposition knows you have to) especially when you have 'good' WR's, but maybe not necessarily ones who can be a 'game changer'. We'll have to see if this continues.
They weren't very aggressive on D this game at all, but I think that was by design. Never even saw the Raider Pkg. that I recall, but I think we will see the D be much more aggressive against Iowa St. (and in the B1G) trying to create pressure with the Raider (or other blitzes and stunts) and trying to create take-aways, as the +17 change in turnover margin from 2014 to 2015 was one of the biggest (if not 'the' biggest) contributing factors to the success of 2015.
I won't go into recruiting much as most of you already know that they are identifying and offering kids earlier in the process than in the past out of necessity. But try not to get too hung up on the 'star' system because as the coaches have said (Parker said it again just a week or two ago) they don't know how many 'stars' a kid has, and don't really care.
I don't know if there ever was or is a 'new Kirk' as he still does most of the things he does the same way he always has, but there always has been an 'evolving Kirk' which is what has allowed him to be by far the longest tenured coach in the B1G as well as the longest in the country (tied with Stoops) now that Beamer has retired. I think it's just that we didn't always notice or hear about all the little changes, but times have changed and people (fans) have much more access to information and definitely not as 'patient'. KF will be here for awhile and I will enjoy watching how things 'evolve'.
 
I think "new kirk" was blown out of proportion due to the two fake field goals last year. But he has definitely changed things up which means that there is indeed a new kirk. The changes just isn't aren't as drastic as they originally looked when the name was given out.
 
Icke, way to much reading and analyzing for me. Don't see that many changes with philosophy's in game planning.IMO. Same defense and offense from years past,only difference is executing.
 
Wow man. Not meaning to bust your chops but if you want people to read this (which I tried to) then paragraphs with spacing is your friend.
I spaced and even indented, but when I hit 'post reply', this is what we got. Sorry. I wonder if it's because my ancient computer is still running on Vista?
 
Icke, way to much reading and analyzing for me. Don't see that many changes with philosophy's in game planning.IMO. Same defense and offense from years past,only difference is executing.
You don't think bringing in a new offensive coordinator 4 yrs. ago was a change in philosophy? And part of the 'evolution'? They added the 'pin and pull' play in the last couple years (which they never ran before) and added GB's 'gap scheme' last year to go along with their zone scheme. They just added the 'Raider Pkg. on defense a couple years ago, etc.... Sorry, you can't keep up with the 'changes' Grandpa :) And would you know enough to even identify the difference between inside zone, outside zone, gap scheme, pin&pull, etc. if you saw them ran by Iowa? I doubt it. Outside zone is still their bread and butter (what we used to call the 'stretch play') if that helps you any.
 
This is about the only post from Icke that I've read all of it and it hasn't pizzed me off so I think maybe Icke you are evolving also. Probably spoke to soon though.
 
I think "new kirk" was blown out of proportion due to the two fake field goals last year. But he has definitely changed things up which means that there is indeed a new kirk. The changes just isn't aren't as drastic as they originally looked when the name was given out.

New Kirk was totally blown out of proportion. KF has always made adjustment from year to year.

That said, I think part of KF adjustments are trusting some of his younger coaches (Brian in particular). Recruiting is and always has been a younger mans game. Wallace I think did a great job to bring some more emphasis and doggedness to that when he came to Iowa. I also think playing younger players is something pushed more by younger position coaches.

I think that some of what Iowa showed yesterday was to keep it in the back of other coaches minds when they gameplan for Iowa. The toss sweeps, the reverse, sending the FB one way, and tossing out to the RB going the other direction (personally loved this, as Iowa knows that the D keys on where the FB goes). I think they did several different things just to "show" it and keep opposing D's a little more honest.
 
I spaced and even indented, but when I hit 'post reply', this is what we got. Sorry. I wonder if it's because my ancient computer is still running on Vista?

What browser are you using. Hopefully not the old Internet Explorer 9 or worse 8. I still use an XP and a Vista machine. Both do just fine, but I use a recent version of the Firefox browser with them. An up to date browser is a necessity, up to date operating system not so important.
 
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New Kirk was totally blown out of proportion. KF has always made adjustment from year to year.

That said, I think part of KF adjustments are trusting some of his younger coaches (Brian in particular). Recruiting is and always has been a younger mans game. Wallace I think did a great job to bring some more emphasis and doggedness to that when he came to Iowa. I also think playing younger players is something pushed more by younger position coaches.

I think that some of what Iowa showed yesterday was to keep it in the back of other coaches minds when they gameplan for Iowa. The toss sweeps, the reverse, sending the FB one way, and tossing out to the RB going the other direction (personally loved this, as Iowa knows that the D keys on where the FB goes). I think they did several different things just to "show" it and keep opposing D's a little more honest.

I really don't think Kirk changed much at all until a couple years ago. It's really not that out of the ordinary either if you think about it. It's human nature to take too long to recognize something has to change.

Think about when people get older and start to gain weight. No one notices right away that they need to do something different. Some people notice after gaining 10-15 pounds. Some notice after gaining 50-100 pounds. Some never have the ambition to make changes at all. But pretty much no one makes changs after only gaining a few pounds. It just takes awhile to notice something needs done.

It's the same with everything else. Kirk had his methods and they worked fine. Of course it's going to take awhile to notice things needed to change. Then it's going to take even longer to implement those changes and see results. It's not really that damning to admit that Kirk didn't change as soon as he should have because it's a pretty common occurrence for people to take too long to change. I wish kirk would have changed after gaining 10 pounds but at least he wasn't one of those people who decided to do nothing about it ever. That's how I see it.
 
I would say KF has evolved some for sure as in he's at a different phase of his own career. Kirk in his 2nd yr or 12th year is just a different coach than now. Between the football landscape having changed with recruiting, scheduling of games and spread offenses he’s done a heck of a job at keeping the pro style O and 4-3 bend but don’t break D still relevant. However he’s tweaked both of those at times as we’ve seen here and there.Now there is a playoff to consider as a goal to reach as well. I think him playing Stanley and burning his RS is not something he’d have done in year 2 or 12 of his tenure if all the other circumstances were the same. There was no reason to have done it. Wiegers can come in and hand it off for a series just as capably. So my guess is the reason he did it is he’s coaching for now. He’s not coaching for 3 and 4 yrs down the road anymore. Stanley has looked great I assume and Wiegers and Cook not so much.. So he and Davis have made that decision and away we go. I do hope that we get Kittle more involved this week and going forward. It was pretty noticeable the lack of TE involvement in the passing game. But it wasn’t needed obviously and regardless of the drop (that’s a ball Kittle shoulda caught) I have all the confidence in him impacting games.
 
Kirk didn't change that much, maybe a little in terms of having a little more confidence in the offense overall. CJ's play made it easier for KF and GD to take a few more chances.

Execution was good, sometimes great last year. That's makes coaches look good (different)
 
Better players have more to do with success than anything else,if you can't execute and make plays then your not going to win.Doesnt matter what scheme or blocking technique your trying to teach you have to have players that can get the job done.Were getting there but have some areas that could be better.
 
I spaced and even indented, but when I hit 'post reply', this is what we got. Sorry. I wonder if it's because my ancient computer is still running on Vista?

No problem. It's just that lazy people like me like to speed read when they see something they think they want to know more about.
 
I spaced and even indented, but when I hit 'post reply', this is what we got. Sorry. I wonder if it's because my ancient computer is still running on Vista?

<<running on Vista?>> Speaking of "evolving".

And speaking of New Kirk, let me introduce "New Paragraph"...
 
<<running on Vista?>> Speaking of "evolving".

And speaking of New Kirk, let me introduce "New Paragraph"...
Didn't I just say that I typed it in paragraphs, but it didn't show up that way? Let me introduce you to 'new reading comprehension'.......Yup, I'm a dinosaur when it comes to technology. Not a fan of it. Don't see how it's improving our lives in any way. Still have a flip phone and my computer won't run anything newer than Vista and I won't buy a new computer until this one is shot.
 
Didn't I just say that I typed it in paragraphs, but it didn't show up that way? Let me introduce you to 'new reading comprehension'.......Yup, I'm a dinosaur when it comes to technology. Not a fan of it. Don't see how it's improving our lives in any way. Still have a flip phone and my computer won't run anything newer than Vista and I won't buy a new computer until this one is shot.

Then here's a new concept: why don't you and the other 18 people who actually bought Vista upgrade? Because in all my years posting, I have NEVER had a problem with paragraphs. And that wouldn't be a function of the machine, anyway, it's a function of the site.
 

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