Nebraska angle story on Iowa Commit Ott
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74Hunter
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We've always had to recruit nationally. We already offered at least 4 player from Mizzouri, this class may be as small as 12-13 recruits, as many as 15-16. Have to be selective.
I'm sure, at the very least Shoff and Ott had the option to walk on. Shoff might still get offered (Ott possibly too) down the road.
They better hope to get some of that big name talent and hopefully the talent comes to work. They would do better by sticking with the type of kids that are at the core of every program... in-state kids. Relying too much on highly rated recruits can bite you look at Iowa's 2005 recruiting class.
74Hunter
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Agreed. States like Iowa and Nebraska need to have those type of players willing to push kids that just don't have "it."
When we got away from that recruiting philosophy (see Crapahan) we suffered for it. I'd love to see both Ott and Shoff as Huskers, but it just doesn't look like that would happen. If Ott sticks with his commit to Iowa, he may be a great get for the Hawks.
Nebby used to have that legendary in-state walk-on program. I guess kid's are just more willing to go somewhere else to play.
I wonder how much B1G strong recruiting guidelines are going to impact Nebby. They can no longer just bring in anybody and find ways to work the creative math. I imagine if they were still going by B12 rules, they would be able to find space for these two in-state recruits as well as the national guys.
All this being said, I will believe Ott is a Hawk when he signs his LOI.
I wonder how much B1G strong recruiting guidelines are going to impact Nebby. They can no longer just bring in anybody and find ways to work the creative math. I imagine if they were still going by B12 rules, they would be able to find space for these two in-state recruits as well as the national guys.
All this being said, I will believe Ott is a Hawk when he signs his LOI.
HawkeyeFever
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From the link's comments section:
"Posted by: bigredfan on 06/23/11 @ 4:33 pm:
If that kid was a true nebraska fan, he would of walked on and earned a spot like most of the kids from nebraska before him. I think he is nothing to this program if he can not do that and iowa can have him."
This sounds a lot like some posts from Iowa fans when in state players head elsewhere. I can't say that I felt any different when Adrian Arrington went to Michigan or Jason Bohannon chose Wisconsin.
This was a little different situation, where it did not seem that Ott would get an offer from Nebraska. I don't blame the kid for taking a scholarship when the taking was good. I just hope he is firm in his commitment and doesn't back out should Nebraska offer in December.
"Posted by: bigredfan on 06/23/11 @ 4:33 pm:
If that kid was a true nebraska fan, he would of walked on and earned a spot like most of the kids from nebraska before him. I think he is nothing to this program if he can not do that and iowa can have him."
This sounds a lot like some posts from Iowa fans when in state players head elsewhere. I can't say that I felt any different when Adrian Arrington went to Michigan or Jason Bohannon chose Wisconsin.
This was a little different situation, where it did not seem that Ott would get an offer from Nebraska. I don't blame the kid for taking a scholarship when the taking was good. I just hope he is firm in his commitment and doesn't back out should Nebraska offer in December.
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74Hunter
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It's been that way for a long time. Some kids choose (for whatever reason) to get a free education elsewhere as opposed to paying to get a chance to possibly play at Nebraska. It happens, it's understandable.
I'd like for this kid to walk-on at DoNU, but it likely will not happen.
First, can anyone explain these supposedly "stronger recruiting guidelines" the B1G has as opposed to the Big 12? I heard that partial qualifiers are allowed in the B1G, but other than that what is supposedly more stringent in the B1G?
As for the bolded, is that just an uneducated shot at Nebraska or a lie? It's not rocket science, if you are good enough, some can get the opportunity to walk on. If you are good enough and you can work your way up the ladder, you can earn a scholarship. How is that "working creative math?"
Edit: As far as I know, each school can only have 85 scholarship players per year, but you can offer as many walkons as you can handle.
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DexterMorgan
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Was kinda curious what he meant by that as well.
Ah yea, it's called oversigning. Good news for Nebraska is I THINK Nebraska besides that class mentioned in the article, is and has been in compliance with the B10's rules on this. If you were still B12 you could slide a few more in this year and get away with it. Thats why Nebraska coaches and stuff are saying, it's going to be a small class, they took 28 or whatever, and knew it was going to hurt later, then they moved to the B10 and that took away a couple more that could have been slid in before.
B10 rules basicly:
When the Big Ten made the change in 2002, it instituted a policy where teams could oversign by no more than three players, and a detailed explanation behind the oversigning had to be submitted to the Big Ten. The SEC is among the conferences with no guidelines.
Other conf's basicly:
a school with 21 open scholarships could sign 26 players in February, with maybe 15 certainties and some group of six of the 11 other players expected to reach enrollment. Or perhaps three summer transfers would open opportunities if nine of the 11 were admitted to school.
But what happens if all 26 show up? It's called over signing. But as I said I dont think Bo has done to much of that anyway.
When the Big Ten made the change in 2002, it instituted a policy where teams could oversign by no more than three players, and a detailed explanation behind the oversigning had to be submitted to the Big Ten. The SEC is among the conferences with no guidelines.
Other conf's basicly:
a school with 21 open scholarships could sign 26 players in February, with maybe 15 certainties and some group of six of the 11 other players expected to reach enrollment. Or perhaps three summer transfers would open opportunities if nine of the 11 were admitted to school.
But what happens if all 26 show up? It's called over signing. But as I said I dont think Bo has done to much of that anyway.
74Hunter
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Ahh, gotcha. Honestly, I don't really know all of that works, I just know that we had about 12-13 scholarships available prior to this year, and with attrition, it looks like we might have 15-16.
I think you are right, with the exception of his first class, I don't think that Bo has done much oversigning. Good info.
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Back to the op, thanks Jon for sharing. It does seem, they might have backed themselves up a bit huh. We will have to see how that works out for them. I think they still pull pretty good out of the south, but wowser, should have never left the gate unattended.
As someone else said, basiclly they are 100% relying on "elite status". Wonder what happens if they get smoked in the B10? Being elite and all is great, as long as the rest of the nation sees you that way to.
As someone else said, basiclly they are 100% relying on "elite status". Wonder what happens if they get smoked in the B10? Being elite and all is great, as long as the rest of the nation sees you that way to.
Anytime. BUT you still may end up with only 12-13, depends if the B10 accepts the reason why you are over signing the other 3.
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MoseSchrute
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I don't think too many Hawk fans have begrudged a kid for taking a scholarship elsewhere, rather than walking on at Iowa. What does bother a lot of us is when a top rated in-state guy turns down an Iowa scholarship to go elsewhere, however. It shouldn't bother us, but it just hurts when you lose the best talent in a state that has a whole lot less than most others; and which has to split that talent between two D1 schools, which is not a problem for a few of our neighboring states.
I also thought the comments were pretty interesting. Seems quite a few of them are a little peeved that this kid got jumped for Cotton's kid.
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MoseSchrute
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homerHAWKeye777
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Good find. Kinda sounds like Klug's story a little bit. Of course, in contrast to Klug, Ott will likely face fewer obstacles when it comes to adding size.
74Hunter
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Alot of this is because they hate Barney. They never liked him the first time he was here, and they hated that he got rehired, supposedly just because he is Bo's buddy/"TO's boy" or whatever. They fail to keep in mind that Barney hasn't exactly had a lot to work with in his FBS coaching career, which includes his time at DoNU. That being said, IMO, Barney has a lot to prove. A TON.
But, what they fail to realize and understand is that in a year when we have so few schollies to give, DE is not really a position of "great" need while TE is. Sam Cotton projects at TE or DE while Ott seems to be slotted for DE only. Sam Cotton may be the highest rated TE target on the coaches board that either would commit or would be eligible academically.
