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alexzelada
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HawkeyeWalker
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Futile misery has to be a tough situation.
FreedComanche
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Two names that shouldn't be mentioned in the same paragraph.
HawkeyeWalker
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May I ask why?
seepig
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We sat in the Other Place with a 1,000 hawkeye fans aghast of our almost momentous collapse the last 7 min. Like CMU, like Minnesota, like Ohio State, like Wisconsin....how can we believe the coaching staff knows what the hell they are doing when they have Hamilton trying to field an onside kick. ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!!!
FreedComanche
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Sure, my family and I watched the game at our friend's house tonight. After Iowa went up 27-7 in the 4th, we left to go home. I listened to the game on the radio actually in awe that, after dominating a bad team for 3.5 quarters, Iowa gives up two very quick touchdowns and allowed the outcome of the game to be in doubt.
This would not have happened with a Fry coached team. And this is just one example. This happens all the time with kf. I was so happy that GD called a good game tonight and Iowa was putting the clones away. Then, the usual happened. No, they didn't lose, but the way a kf team behaves in the second half is the same, win or lose. I mean, this is a win that feels like a loss in a way. I am so SICK of a kf coached team never finishing a game strong. You've already seen in happen three times in three games this season with a huge history of this happening.
The above is just one reason why he should not be mentioned with coach Fry.
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hawkdrummer1
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if you have to ask....
FreedComanche
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They allowed the game to be in doubt after dominating the game for 3.5 quarters!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You should have heard Dolphin and Ed P. They admitted to being very nervous with about two minutes left in the game. Good coached teams beat up bad teams. They don't let them back in the game. Good grief. Is this not obvious to everyone that saw the game tonight????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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HawkeyeWalker
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Yeah, I get all that and your frustrations. But still not sure why they can't be mentioned in the same breath. They are both long time Iowa coaches that have had rough seasons and have had great championship seasons...and have about the same win %. That all said I understand your angst and match your distaste with the teams ability to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat. Hayden is a Legend but don't let your frustration if recent years cloud the fact that the W/L column for the two coaches is about the same (to be clear I don't think KF matches Fry overall) but the gap isn't so big that they can't be mentioned together.
ThunderHawk
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Ferentz can't close out a game which his team has dominated. Sometimes it just gives us heartburn, sometimes it results in an inexplicable loss.
It's atrocious, and I'm done with it. Fry would have walked off that field with the scoreboard reading 34-7 or 41-7 or worst case scenario 27-14.
Klassy Kurt? Well, I told my viewing mates to brace when it was 27-7. They were already celebrating. I caught a lot of crap for being a "hater."
I'll tell you what I hate. I hate being proven right game after game, year after year about Kurt's pathological inability to close out games his team has dominated.
It's atrocious, and I'm done with it. Fry would have walked off that field with the scoreboard reading 34-7 or 41-7 or worst case scenario 27-14.
Klassy Kurt? Well, I told my viewing mates to brace when it was 27-7. They were already celebrating. I caught a lot of crap for being a "hater."
I'll tell you what I hate. I hate being proven right game after game, year after year about Kurt's pathological inability to close out games his team has dominated.
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alexzelada
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You do realize that Hayden had a bigger mountain to climb? So your use of W/L % seems to be a poor comparison. Hayden also owned the weaker teams in the B1G and non-BCS conference schools. I can't think of a good reason that shouldn't be true from 1999-present.
FreedComanche
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It is because of the way kf coaches that I picked them to go 5-7. They got talent to win 8 games. They won't because you got one of the most non aggressive hc's in college football. I picked them to win two big 10 games. With what I've seen from kf, not the players, this season, I am not sure they can.
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HawkeyeWalker
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Not sure on the bigger hill...the cupboard was absolutely bare in '98-'99 that was coming off some awful years. I agree that Hayden won bigger and better against lesser comoetition, but I also think the bottom teams in the B1G were worse than in more recent times and the nonBCS schools have closed the talent gap in recent times.
Again, overall KF doesn't match Hayden(Hawkeye Legend). And there is plenty of good reason to have angst and concern the last couple of years. I simply don't feel the gap us so much to state they can't be spoken of in tandem.
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alexzelada
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True, they both believe it is a Hawkeye state.
Bigtenchamp
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he taught him the hold hands thing... that's pretty much it
Hayden
Iowa: 143–89–6 98–61–5
Total: 232–178–10
Kirk
Iowa: 102–75 59–52
Total: 114–96
Kirk will have to average 8 wins over the next 5 years including now to get to where hayden was. Kirk also has the advantage of playing one more game per season. Also, Kirk had an already established program. Hayden built the modern Hawkeye program including the emblem. Kirk is 7 games over .500 in league play. Hayden 37 games over. Is there still a debate here?
Iowa: 143–89–6 98–61–5
Total: 232–178–10
Kirk
Iowa: 102–75 59–52
Total: 114–96
Kirk will have to average 8 wins over the next 5 years including now to get to where hayden was. Kirk also has the advantage of playing one more game per season. Also, Kirk had an already established program. Hayden built the modern Hawkeye program including the emblem. Kirk is 7 games over .500 in league play. Hayden 37 games over. Is there still a debate here?
