More fast break sets for OKC

[HomerChampless]

At the beginning of each NBA finals game, OKC suffered dry spells leading to 'uphill climbs' for the Thunder the rest of the game.


OKC is more effective than Miami scoring fast break points. IMO, OKC looks to be more effective scoring points running a fast break offense. At least, not so much of a set offense.
To lessen the possibility of a dry spell at the beginnings of game 3, OKC should start the game with more fast break sets.


Miami could, however, be adjusting to OKC's superiority in fast break points. The Thunder scored 13 fewer fast break points in game 2. From 24 to 11 points.


Game 1 OKC 24 fbpoints.
Miami 4 fbpoints.

Game 2 OKC 11 fbpoints.
Miami 10 fbpoints.

 

[hawkfarmer]

Maybe I'm dense but what do you mean by fastbreak "sets". Fast breaks are created by steals and turnovers and running the floor, I don't see how you get into sets unless you play better more aggressive defense?

 

[Travisam]

At the beginning of each NBA finals game, OKC suffered dry spells leading to 'uphill climbs' for the Thunder the rest of the game.


OKC is more effective than Miami scoring fast break points. IMO, OKC looks to be more effective scoring points running a fast break offense. At least, not so much of a set offense.
To lessen the possibility of a dry spell at the beginnings of game 3, OKC should start the game with more fast break sets.


Miami could, however, be adjusting to OKC's superiority in fast break points. The Thunder scored 13 fewer fast break points in game 2. From 24 to 11 points.


Game 1 OKC 24 fbpoints.
Miami 4 fbpoints.

Game 2 OKC 11 fbpoints.
Miami 10 fbpoints.

Fast break sets? I played basketball my entire life and never had my point guard come up the court, hold up 1 finger and say "Screw motion, let's run fast break". You may run defensive sets such as a press or trap to induce turnovers which can lead to a fast break. Fast break is a transitional part of basketball. It is not a set. Your post makes me wanna get gay married.

 

[herkyattack]

You can't start the game with more "fast break sets". You can only run a fast break if the opportunity presents itself. You have to stop the other team from scoring in order to have the opportunity.

 

[HomerChampless]

Fast break sets? I played basketball my entire life and never had my point guard come up the court, hold up 1 finger and say "Screw motion, let's run fast break". You may run defensive sets such as a press or trap to induce turnovers which can lead to a fast break. Fast break is a transitional part of basketball. It is not a set. Your post makes me wanna get gay married.

What do you call the majority, and goal of Fran's offense, then?

EDIT: so you hate my gay marriage opinion. You hater. Get a life.

 

[Travisam]

What do you call the majority, and goal of Fran's offense, then?

EDIT: so you hate my gay marriage opinion. You hater. Get a life.

He runs different sets but mostly variations of motion offense. On offense his goal is to get good shots. On defense his goal is to get stops or turnovers to create opportunities for transition baskets ie fast break. Adam and Steve.

 

[herkyattack]

What do you call the majority, and goal of Fran's offense, then?

EDIT: so you hate my gay marriage opinion. You hater. Get a life.

Every team wants to score fast break points because they are typically the easiest baskets you will get. It is easy to take advantage of the defense because they are not set defensively. "Fran's offense" is a motion offense that emphasizes screening to create spacing and open shots.

 

[Clark]

Maybe I'm dense but what do you mean by fastbreak "sets". Fast breaks are created by steals and turnovers and running the floor, I don't see how you get into sets unless you play better more aggressive defense?

Fast break sets? I played basketball my entire life and never had my point guard come up the court, hold up 1 finger and say "Screw motion, let's run fast break". You may run defensive sets such as a press or trap to induce turnovers which can lead to a fast break. Fast break is a transitional part of basketball. It is not a set. Your post makes me wanna get gay married.

You guys are spot on. Every team's offense is best in the fast break because fast breaks tend to involve more offensive players than defensive players and it's easier to score when the defense isn't set. Most teams in the playoffs tend to do a pretty good job of limiting fast breat opportunities.

 

[HomerChampless]

OKC seems to be at a disadvantage when running set plays. It's most evident early in games against the Heat. The Thunder have to use more pressure defense, overwelm the Heat's defense, and use their athleticism to get those easier baskets.

Who are the consistant long range shooters on OKC? Harden and Durant?
Who are the dominant short range shooters on OKC (in this series)? Maybe Collison?

 

[herkyattack]

OKC seems to be at a disadvantage when running set plays. It's most evident early in games against the Heat. The Thunder have to use more pressure defense, overwelm the Heat's defense, and use their athleticism to get those easier baskets.

Who are the consistant long range shooters on OKC? Harden and Durant?

More "pressure defense" in the NBA is pretty much worthless. Just about every player that would be handling the ball is athletic enough and a good enough ball-handler to not be bothered my a little extra pressure. To get fast break opportunities they need to force a missed shot, play the passing lanes, and funnel things inside where the help defenders can cause problems.

 

[HomerChampless]

More "pressure defense" in the NBA is pretty much worthless. Just about every player that would be handling the ball is athletic enough and a good enough ball-handler to not be bothered my a little extra pressure. To get fast break opportunities they need to force a missed shot, play the passing lanes, and funnel things inside where the help defenders can cause problems.

Double teams. Force the ball out of a playmaker's hand and into a more inept ball handler/shooter's hand.
Get the rebound and go. Have someone flash to the basket.

Miami has a lot of playmakers. James, Wade, Bosh, now Battier, and Chalmers?
Probably why not so many fbpoints for OKC in game 2.

 

[herkyattack]

Double teams. Take the ball out of a playmaker's hand and force it into a more inept ball handler's hand.

Except there are almost always two playmakers on the floor for Miami at the same time. If you double one, you also have to keep the other one from getting the ball. Then Miami has a 3 on 2 advantage, spaced with good shooters (Chalmers, Miller, Battier, Bosh). There is no sure-fire way to create fast break opportunities.

 

[HomerChampless]

OKC, if they want to win, must take chances and 'create chaos'.

No, not Miller, he's too banged up.

 

[Travisam]

I think that what Homer is saying is that OKC needs to blitz more. Sanctity.

 

[herkyattack]

OKC, if they want to win, must take chances and 'create chaos'.

No, not Miller, he's too banged up.

OKC doesn't have to make any drastic changes. They played poorly last night and still had a chance to win it. No offense, but your comments in this thread lend one to believe you don't really know what you're talking about.

 

[HomerChampless]

I think that what Homer is saying is that OKC needs to blitz more. Sanctity.

Fast breaking is blitzing in another sport.

 

[HomerChampless]

OKC doesn't have to make any drastic changes. They played poorly last night and still had a chance to win it. No offense, but your comments in this thread lend one to believe you don't really know what you're talking about.

Why your conclusion?

I mean, they've been behind by at least, I'm not sure, 15 points at the start of every game? Don't you think that's a hinderance to them winning? 'Cause it is.

Fixing that beginning of the game drought should be high on their priorities.... and set plays don't seem to get them out of their drought.

 

[HawkeyeMike23]

OKC needs to bench Perkins for the rest of this series. He has no place in this matchup, and he's killing OKC whenever he's on the floor.

 

[David79]

OKC needs to bench Perkins for the rest of this series. He has no place in this matchup, and he's killing OKC whenever he's on the floor.

I agree, he was absolutely horrible last night, plus he couldn't stop making an ugly face and crying. They should have put collison in sooner.