Media

[cibula11]

One of the reasons that I've not seen discussed is "why" the media is bashing on Iowa, KF, Barta, etc.

The media doesn't and hasn't liked the U of I because they typically remain tight lipped about everything. PR blunders aside, the media has HATED the "not knowing" part, and in turn have "created" drama and conversation topics in part to spite Iowa for not opening up.

In fact, what part of what has gone on NEEDS to be given to the media or any of us at all. Outside of the parents and students, it really doesn't concern too many of us at all.

My two cents.

 

[clim33]

They do this crap for ratings, viewers, and readers. The unfortunate truth is many folks love the scandal.....even if most of it is speculation by "shootin from the hip" internet and talk radio folks. Small guys trying to get their big break by making a lot more than it should be out of this story. JAG OFFS

 

[tm3308]

This is actually one issue where answers need to be given. Now I understand that all the answers may not be readily available even to the university. But the public DO need to know what happened here. 13 players are/were in the hospital, and it needs to be known why they ended up there.

Has the media gone over the top in their language/conclusions? Yes, in many cases. But don't fault them for wanting to know. Because this actually is a case where people need to know what happened.

 

[Hawke]

People love to watch a train wreck, even when the train wreck is an illusion created by desperate little men in the media.

 

[Section136]

But the public DO need to know what happened here. 13 players are/were in the hospital, and it needs to be known why they ended up there.

I dont think the public is entitled to that information. Correct me if Im wrong here, wouldnt the players have to speak out to the media and tell us why they were hospitalized?

 

[cibula11]

I guess I'm not sure why the MEDIA needs to know. We're fans, and the media makes money from reporting "stuff", but that's about it. They don't need to know and quite frankly neither do we. Just because we're curious, doesn't give us rights.

 

[tanabs]

One of the reasons that I've not seen discussed is "why" the media is bashing on Iowa, KF, Barta, etc.

The media doesn't and hasn't liked the U of I because they typically remain tight lipped about everything. PR blunders aside, the media has HATED the "not knowing" part, and in turn have "created" drama and conversation topics in part to spite Iowa for not opening up.

In fact, what part of what has gone one NEEDS to be given to the media or any of us at all. Outside of the parents and students, it really doesn't concern too many of us at all.

My two cents.

How about those people that commit thousands of dollars to the program on a yearly basis? I'm pretty sure they deserve an explanation, don't you?

You can keep trying to convince yourself and others that Iowa doesn't have any real problems and everything is just hyperbole and stories trumped up by the media, but hopefully one day you'll realize that that attitude is just enabling the persistent problems. until people finally stand up and say "this **** needs to stop, it will not be tolerated" nothing will change. Unfortunately it seems that as long as the team wins, everyone is willing to turn a blind eye.

 

[PatrickAdamovicz]

Absolutely disagree with that public needs to know what happened. It's no ones business unless you play, coach or have a player that is on the team or a recruit of Iowa. People want to be nosy and know the story. Fact is, it's a medical matter, which again means that it is no ones business. The OP hit the nail on the head. The media doesn't like it that they are shut out by the football program and in-turn they like to create a ground swell of speculation and run around with conspiracies in attempt to put pressure on the university to give them something. If I'm Iowa, I give them squat. Iowa will continue to be a top 20 program with or without the media.

 

[PatrickAdamovicz]

How about those people that commit thousands of dollars to the program on a yearly basis? I'm pretty sure they deserve an explanation, don't you?

You can keep trying to convince yourself and others that Iowa doesn't have any real problems and everything is just hyperbole and stories trumped up by the media, but hopefully one day you'll realize that that attitude is just enabling the persistent problems. until people finally stand up and say "this **** needs to stop, it will not be tolerated" nothing will change. Unfortunately it seems that as long as the team wins, everyone is willing to turn a blind eye.

LOL, money doesn't buy you the right to that information. I can't believe you just wrote that.

 

[cibula11]

How about those people that commit thousands of dollars to the program on a yearly basis? I'm pretty sure they deserve an explanation, don't you?

You can keep trying to convince yourself and others that Iowa doesn't have any real problems and everything is just hyperbole and stories trumped up by the media, but hopefully one day you'll realize that that attitude is just enabling the persistent problems. until people finally stand up and say "this **** needs to stop, it will not be tolerated" nothing will change. Unfortunately it seems that as long as the team wins, everyone is willing to turn a blind eye.

I guess it all depends on whether you'll continue to be a fan or support the program.

It's the the same stuff, so it's hard to say "this_____needs to stop", when it's been different issues, most of which are or at least should be blamed on players, who are adults, not coaches.

 

[Sidecarcoach]

TM says the public "needs" to know. I say they "want" to know - so they can meddle, criticize, blame, ostricize, pontificate, defame, rant, castigate. Maybe those are needs.

 

[cibula11]

TM says the public "needs" to know. I say they "want" to know - so they can meddle, criticize, blame, ostricize, pontificate, defame, rant, castigate. Maybe those are needs.

exactly. needs vs. wants.
PR aside, we haven't been given a ton of facts outside of 13 players hospitalized. Most everything else has been conjured up by media.

I get that social media is now more powerful than ever, but it's still not as credible as it needs to be or will ever be.

 

[tanabs]

LOL, money doesn't buy you the right to that information. I can't believe you just wrote that.

I'm not talking privacy policy stuff regarding individual players. And money will buy you just about anything in college athletics. AD's keep donors happy and the money flowing, that's their job. We all might not find out all the details, but you can bet your *** the big donors will (or possibly already have)

 

[cibula11]

I'm not talking privacy policy stuff regarding individual players. And money will buy you just about anything in college athletics. AD's keep donors happy and the money flowing, that's their job. We all might not find out all the details, but you can bet your *** the big donors will (or possibly already have)

and none of what you have said justifies what the media is doing.

 

[Section136]

We all might not find out all the details, but you can bet your *** the big donors will (or possibly already have)

This isnt Blue Chips. I would bet that nobody in the athletic department has told any donor what the heck is going on, no matter how much they donate.

 

[tm3308]

TM says the public "needs" to know. I say they "want" to know - so they can meddle, criticize, blame, ostricize, pontificate, defame, rant, castigate. Maybe those are needs.

If the coaches were just pushing the players THAT hard, and there weren't any other factors that contributed to their condition, you're saying you'd be cool with that?

Hawkeye football is not some black ops team. If the coaches were just flat-out negligent/abusive in this, there needs to be some transparency. That's what the media is supposed to be for.

That may not be the case (I think it's unlikely). But keeping EVERYTHING behind closed doors is not exactly a good practice, IMO. It leaves nobody accountable.

The only thing that the university can't release is information about the players medical condition. They are absolutely allowed to (and should) enlighten everyone on just what happened in the workouts.

 

[cibula11]

If the coaches were just pushing the players THAT hard, and there weren't any other factors that contributed to their condition, you're saying you'd be cool with that?

Hawkeye football is not some black ops team. If the coaches were just flat-out negligent/abusive in this, there needs to be some transparency. That's what the media is supposed to be for.

That may not be the case (I think it's unlikely). But keeping EVERYTHING behind closed doors is not exactly a good practice, IMO. It leaves nobody accountable.

The only thing that the university can't release is information about the players medical condition. They are absolutely allowed to (and should) enlighten everyone on just what happened in the workouts.

Someone knows, but not us....I'm okay with that because the end results aren't going to effect me one way or another. Do I want to know? YES!, but I'll be a fan long after this.

 

[tm3308]

Someone knows, but not us....I'm okay with that because the end results aren't going to effect me one way or another. Do I want to know? YES!, but I'll be a fan long after this.

It's no different than a company's obligation to its shareholders. If someone in the company is doing something that damages the company, than the shareholders need to know about it.

Seeing as how we pour in an awful lot of money to this program, I think it behooves the university to let us know if they are using unsafe practices for the players.

 

[cibula11]

It's no different than a company's obligation to its shareholders. If someone in the company is doing something that damages the company, than the shareholders need to know about it.

Seeing as how we pour in an awful lot of money to this program, I think it behooves the university to let us know if they are using unsafe practices for the players.

It's a fair point and one that many hold, but will you honestly become less of a fan or supporter if something bad comes from this?

I'll feel disappointed, but that's about it.

 

[tm3308]

It's a fair point and one that many hold, but will you honestly become less of a fan or supporter if something bad comes from this?

I'll feel disappointed, but that's about it.

I'm sure I'll still get my season tickets next fall, but I'll certainly lose some respect for the coaching staff if it were a case of simply going Bear Bryant on these players.