Marble's shooting percentage and shooting style lately

glidinghawk

glidinghawk

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Is not that good this year. It's at 42.7%. His 3-point pct. is a respectable 37%, which is probably his best of any of his years at Iowa, though I have not checked.

I've noticed the past 2 or 3 weeks he has been shooting a lot of step back-fall away jumpers. More than ever before actually. Do you think he may be trying to impress NBA scouts? Last night, he really got off balance, didn't look comfortable on the step backs. I think he needs to get back to fewer pro moves. He needs to post up more, try to get closer to the hoop on dribble drives, and get more 10 to 15 foot shots off, instead of step back-fall away 21 footers that look pretty cool when they go in.

I also noticed his career shooting percentage is around 41 percent, less than McCabe's. Granted McCabe got a lot of his shots in close, but Marble also got a lot of stuffs and layups throughout his career as well.
 
I think Marble scored in double figures in every big 10 game except for yesterday this season. Not a whole lot to complain about where RDM is concerned IMO.
 
ForeverHawk said:
I think Marble scored in double figures in every big 10 game except for yesterday this season. Not a whole lot to complain about where RDM is concerned IMO.
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I see your point.

Also, his assists are up and turnovers down this year, which means he has become a more complete player. Loved that behind the back pass last night.
 
If Marble's percentages are down, it's because he is asked to take tougher shots. He is now the one who is relied upon to get his shot off, when things aren't working.

He doesn't have the luxury of being selective.
 
Hawkstrat said:
If Marble's percentages are down, it's because he is asked to take tougher shots. He is now the one who is relied upon to get his shot off, when things aren't working.

He doesn't have the luxury of being selective.
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This is dead on.
 
glidinghawk said:
I see your point.

Also, his assists are up and turnovers down this year, which means he has become a more complete player. Loved that behind the back pass last night.
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Part of this assist and turnover is that he is mainly playing the 2 with gesell at the 1 it means he is an above average ball handler and passer at his position and it opens him up to do better at both of those things.
 
glidinghawk said:
Is not that good this year. It's at 42.7%. His 3-point pct. is a respectable 37%, which is probably his best of any of his years at Iowa, though I have not checked.

I've noticed the past 2 or 3 weeks he has been shooting a lot of step back-fall away jumpers. More than ever before actually. Do you think he may be trying to impress NBA scouts? Last night, he really got off balance, didn't look comfortable on the step backs. I think he needs to get back to fewer pro moves. He needs to post up more, try to get closer to the hoop on dribble drives, and get more 10 to 15 foot shots off, instead of step back-fall away 21 footers that look pretty cool when they go in.

I also noticed his career shooting percentage is around 41 percent, less than McCabe's. Granted McCabe got a lot of his shots in close, but Marble also got a lot of stuffs and layups throughout his career as well.
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You realize that in the five games leading in to last night, Marble shot 49.4% from the floor (and that the last four of which saw him shoot 50% or better), right? He had an off night last night, but let's not pretend that the stepbacks and such weren't working for him over the last few weeks. His ability to hit those shots is a big reason why he's been so effective lately.
 
ForeverHawk said:
I think Marble scored in double figures in every big 10 game except for yesterday this season. Not a whole lot to complain about where RDM is concerned IMO.
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uh, have you checked how many shots he takes? Over 400, the next closest is White with 238. That's an absurd spread.

He's the leading scorer because he takes damn near twice as many shots as anybody else on the team. And as the OP pointed out, his shooting percentage is 7th... out of the 9 players in the primary rotation.

"give it to marble" is not an offensive strategy.
 
hawkdrummer1 said:
uh, have you checked how many shots he takes? Over 400, the next closest is White with 238. That's an absurd spread.

He's the leading scorer because he takes damn near twice as many shots as anybody else on the team. And as the OP pointed out, his shooting percentage is 7th... out of the 9 players in the primary rotation.

"give it to marble" is not an offensive strategy.
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uh, have you checked out how many times white gets the ball on the wing wide open and takes a pump fake allowing the defender to close on him so he can dribble two times and get closed off to pass it out to oglesby who if he's not in his shooting motion while catching the ball then pump fakes to then pass it to gesell who does a pump fake and dribbles to the basket to miss a layup or have it swatted away by a 6'10".

Marble has to shoot that many times and in tough spots because no one else will.
 
The turn in the season coincides with Uthoff disappearance and apparently McCaffery determination to make Marble 'the guy'. The balance is gone.
 
DDThompson said:
uh, have you checked out how many times white gets the ball on the wing wide open and takes a pump fake allowing the defender to close on him so he can dribble two times and get closed off to pass it out to oglesby who if he's not in his shooting motion while catching the ball then pump fakes to then pass it to gesell who does a pump fake and dribbles to the basket to miss a layup or have it swatted away by a 6'10".

Marble has to shoot that many times and in tough spots because no one else will.
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I have noticed this. I would like to see White fire a few more of those jumpers. Even if he doesn't hit them it would make the pump fake more effective. He doubts his jumper too much. Confidence is low all around. I think White has a pretty looking shot, just needs to let it fly more.
 
hawkdrummer1 said:
uh, have you checked how many shots he takes? Over 400, the next closest is White with 238. That's an absurd spread.

He's the leading scorer because he takes damn near twice as many shots as anybody else on the team. And as the OP pointed out, his shooting percentage is 7th... out of the 9 players in the primary rotation.

"give it to marble" is not an offensive strategy.
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Because it's totally weird for guys like Olaseni, Woodbury, and other guys who spend a big chunk of time at or around the rim to have a better FG% than a guard. The only guard ahead of Marble is Oglesby (Clemmons is, too, but he doesn't play a big enough role to really count), and he's shooting 46%.

Andrew Wiggins is only shooting 45%, which is 6th best for Kansas. Marcus Paige shoots 44% and is 5th in FG% for UNC.

Would anybody here seriously object to putting the ball in either of those guys' hands?
 
hwks1 said:
The turn in the season coincides with Uthoff disappearance and apparently McCaffery determination to make Marble 'the guy'. The balance is gone.
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When did the season turn? Which game?

If you're talking since the Wisconsin home loss, then you don't know what you're talking about.

Uthoff's stat lines since Wisconsin are identical to his stat lines prior to Wisconsin.
He's been shut-out, however, the last two games with minutes of 15 and 8. Maybe that's when the season turned?
 
hawkdrummer1 said:
uh, have you checked how many shots he takes? Over 400, the next closest is White with 238. That's an absurd spread.

He's the leading scorer because he takes damn near twice as many shots as anybody else on the team. And as the OP pointed out, his shooting percentage is 7th... out of the 9 players in the primary rotation.

"give it to marble" is not an offensive strategy.
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Exactly. I know we're not the majority but I agree 100%. Notice how we took control last night when Marble was sitting for 13 minutes in the first half. Not a coincidence.
 
hawkdrummer1 said:
uh, have you checked how many shots he takes? Over 400, the next closest is White with 238. That's an absurd spread.

He's the leading scorer because he takes damn near twice as many shots as anybody else on the team. And as the OP pointed out, his shooting percentage is 7th... out of the 9 players in the primary rotation.

"give it to marble" is not an offensive strategy.
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what do u expect when we have guys like josh Ogelsby playing 25 min and shooting 3 times and White played 36 and attempted 6 shots.

you do realize we only get 35 seconds to get a shot on the rim???
 
WaterboyHawkeye said:
Exactly. I know we're not the majority but I agree 100%. Notice how we took control last night when Marble was sitting for 13 minutes in the first half. Not a coincidence.
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Yeah, Marble didn't carry us to a halftime lead at MSU. Jesus ******* Christ.
 
Some of the comments above have merit. The reasons may be open to interpretation, but whether it's a symptom or a cause... we rely on Marble for too many shots and points. Period.

Fran better put some kind of offense into place in the off-season or his honeymoon is going to end soon.
 
Not stupid. It's more teamwork. It's unpredictability. It's a morale booster for the rest of the team.

And Marble wasn't shooting well, either, against Illinois. Maybe a proof (if anything is) that Fran doesn't build his offense solely around Marble.

And, IMO, Fran should 'call out' Marble on some of the selfish/unsuccessful plays he makes. Unless Marble has a fragile psyche which seems evidenced in Marble's performance for a good portion of last season.
 
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