Marble's scoring
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I dont think this is as simplistic a cause and effect as what you stated.
It could also be this way because other players arent scoring as well so marble needs to score more and since the hawks maybe arent playing as well they are losing, and it just so happens that marble is scoring more.
It could also be this way because other players arent scoring as well so marble needs to score more and since the hawks maybe arent playing as well they are losing, and it just so happens that marble is scoring more.
tm3308
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That's ridiculous. All it says is that Marble brings his A-game against the best teams, which is all we can ask out of him. He scored well below his average tonight (in fact failing to score in double figures for the first time since conference play started), and they lost.
Anyone who really believes we're not going to miss Marble next year has a screw or two loose. He's the best player we've had in years.
hawkdrummer1
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We are far too dependent on "Give it to Marble and let him go 1-on-1". He's made some big shots, but he takes as many bad ones. He's the leading scorer only because he shoots a lot. He's taken 403 shots, the next closest is White with 238. that's ridiculous. (and IMHO, a symptom of what's wrong with this team)
Here's a reality check for you.
Marble's 42,7 FG% is 7th out of the 9 guys in the primary rotation. Only McCabe (38% ouch) and Gessel (40%) are wors
He shoots too much. And that has prevented this team from developing an offensive identity.
Here's a reality check for you.
Marble's 42,7 FG% is 7th out of the 9 guys in the primary rotation. Only McCabe (38% ouch) and Gessel (40%) are wors
He shoots too much. And that has prevented this team from developing an offensive identity.
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Anyone who thinks we are automatically worse without marble is forgetting that a few yrs ago we had Matt gatens (who carried the team as a senior). Then he graduated and without him we actually were better after the players developed roles. I think we will be fine. It might take a. Few games to figure out roles but gesell will be the main guy and Uthoff will develop a lot in the off season. Not to mention we have a lot more legit talent at more positions than when gatens graduated.
tweeterhawk
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Your naïveté about college hoops is stunning. As good as Dev is, he is also the reason this team has not had a leader this year, is partly the reason why this team has not been mentally tough, has struggled with an identity, has lost some close games. Fran views him as a "clutch" player; if that's how the clutch in my car performed, I'd be taking it to the garage for a new one.
Far too much was expected of Dev this year, much more than he mentally or skill-wise was able to deliver. On any other BoneG team he is a solid role player.
I think you'll see a far different dynamic on this team next year. I liked some things I saw in Jok last night. I hope Fran turns the reins over to Mike. He strikes me as much more of a floor leader and the guy who can create plays.
loesshillshawk
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The kid is GOOD, he simply is a one half wonder. I blame this on the other team making changes, and our staff cannot put Devyn in a position to succeed. Dribble penetration by Devyn spells double and triple down on him and strip him...over and over and over again.
STILLBUSTER
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Quick fix.
Seriously, of course he will be missed and there is no way they are a "better" team without his skills. However, I could see where losing him is not as harmful as simply subtracting his raw production.
He's scoring 17 on a team that averages 82.6. Let's say Gesell, Ogelsby Uthoff, White and Woodbury (your starting 1-5 next year), can all add 3 points each. Let's also say that 6-8, Olaseni, Clemmons and Jok can give you 1.5-2 more ppg.
These might sound like big numbers but we're only talking 1 basket and or 1 basket + a free throw. Given that Marble took the overwhelming majority of attempts - 403, which is 35% of the starting 5's attempts and 69% more than the next guy (White took 238 shots) - and also took the most free throws of anyone, I'd think the opportunities are there for these guys to compensate for those points. What's more, with the exception of Gesell, next year's starting 5 all have better shooting and free throw % than Marble. You'd think this should translate into more points out of all those attempts that the better shooters are taking.
So, it seems you can account for Marble's points (plus a couple toward Basabe and McCabes' 13.7), leaving you a net loss of around 10 ppg. You still have a team averaging 73 ppg (top 125, nationally, and top 1/2 of the B1G).
I realize this is pretty simplistic but I also think it's pretty conservative and straight forward. The majority of Marble's (and Basabe and McCabes') numbers will be taken care of by the returnees.
Where you start to miss Marble is his confidence and ability to attack. Then again, with a (God help Iowa basketball, hopefully) tighter rotation, opportunity and repetition breed confidence and development. In other words, if you give these guys a chance to get into game flow, create opportunities, attack the opponent and produce, without the fear of the quick hook, they just might?
Bottom line, Iowa's identity next season needs to be much less emphasis on helter-skelter running transition and much more emphasis on interior toughness, effort and pride in defense. That team, that can still score in the 70's, is basically MSU or Wisky.
You couple that attitude and identity change with a much easier schedule and it's not crazy to see Iowa with a better record, even though they will be a less talented team. It'll be a lot like what is anticipated for this coming football season.
It's up to Fran McCaffery. I'd think he'd want to do everything he could to make up for the destruction of this season.
