Let this one sink in will ya....

[Playmaker]

From Robs article:

--------Ohio State coach Urban Meyer has a 44-2 regular season record in Big Ten conference play and the Buckeyes are 21-1 in Big Ten road games since 2012

Ferments has that loss total topped IN LESS THAN ONE MONTH going 1-3 between 9/23 and 10/21....yeah, he's the answer all right. He is NOT the answer going forward....I simply cannot believe how long he has conned some Iowa fans with his smoke and mirrors act. Again, did I mention that it was in less than ONE MONTH!!!!

Thank you Rob for reaffirming what some us already know, but others still need to let sink in.

 

[uihawk82]

Yep, those are facts. As I have said many times if KF was less conservative especially passing the ball the hawks would likely be undefeated right now.

Oh and for you futuristic know it all couch coaches out there, did you watch the Chiefs and Broncos last nite. I watched a little more than the first half and there was plenty of both QBs under center, pro-style I formation, with fullbacks or two backs in the backfield.

The difference is they get Hunt and other backs out in space on lbkrs and open up running room throwing the ball then come back with runs against 6 or so men in the box. Both teams used a lot of playaction waggle and naked bootleg that you would have saw under KF and KOK but the pros just throw more.

A lot of teams still use fullbacks or H-backs with a tailback and throw to the fullbacks.

So Playmaker you can rant all you want but it is not scheme, we could use some more Wadley's on offense with speed, but I think the main thing is too much focus on running and not more practice and execution and using the passing game.

 

[Playmaker]

---------So Playmaker you can rant all you want but it is not scheme

82 - Scheme is WAY WAY WAY down on my list of concerns.....#1 concern by a Grand Canyon margin is recruiting....followed by the "were not sexy" attitude by the Head Coach

Go Dodgers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[mopkins]

Urban Meyer started off the 2017 season 1-1 and Ferentz went 2-0. Obviously Ferentz and Iowa are better

 

[hawkfan44]

Now, if we can just convince Urban to come to Iowa! Get on that playmaker!

 

[NCHawker]

Yep, those are facts. As I have said many times if KF was less conservative especially passing the ball the hawks would likely be undefeated right now.
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but but that's not who we are !

 

[HawkInATX]

From Robs article:

--------Ohio State coach Urban Meyer has a 44-2 regular season record in Big Ten conference play and the Buckeyes are 21-1 in Big Ten road games since 2012

Ferments has that loss total topped IN LESS THAN ONE MONTH going 1-3 between 9/23 and 10/21....yeah, he's the answer all right. He is NOT the answer going forward....I simply cannot believe how long he has conned some Iowa fans with his smoke and mirrors act. Again, did I mention that it was in less than ONE MONTH!!!!

Thank you Rob for reaffirming what some us already know, but others still need to let sink in.

How many other Big Ten coaches can you say the same thing about?

Dantonio had two losses between 9/23 and 10/28
PJ Fleck has four between 9/30 and 10/28
Jim Harbaugh had 2 in 3 weeks in October
Only Penn State and Wisconsin have the same number of losses in 2017 season.

Should we expand this out to other conferences? Maybe the SEC and see how many teams lost two more more games in a stretch of a season? You do know that basically, by definition, half of the teams in college football (with a little wiggle room) will lose 6 games or more this season? Here's a hot take for you: Hayden Fry never won a national championship. He also only had one season with 1 loss or less. Do you even think before you type or do you just somehow find a way to accidentally type out the dumbest dribble week-in and week-out?

 

[cockyhawkfan]

Some times you have to accept the reality. Iowa isn't OSU. They never have been and never will be. It doesn't mean I like it or want to accept it, but it's the reality. I'm guessing none of us here, have as much money as Bill Gates or Mark Zuckerberg. Nor will we ever..It doesn't define us.

It's also a reality that Kirk Ferentz coached teams, have given me some of the greatest Hawkeye memories of my life and nothing will ever change that.

Everyone wants more wins or more trophies. I'm one of those people. Everyone bitches over this or that and get's disappointed. I'm also one of those people. But I've also learned as time has gone on, that I don't have any control over the decisions or outcome. All I can control is whether or not I want to be a fan. And I want to be a fan. We all have the same choice.

 

[Adam]

From Robs article:

--------Ohio State coach Urban Meyer has a 44-2 regular season record in Big Ten conference play and the Buckeyes are 21-1 in Big Ten road games since 2012

Ferments has that loss total topped IN LESS THAN ONE MONTH going 1-3 between 9/23 and 10/21....yeah, he's the answer all right. He is NOT the answer going forward....I simply cannot believe how long he has conned some Iowa fans with his smoke and mirrors act. Again, did I mention that it was in less than ONE MONTH!!!!

Thank you Rob for reaffirming what some us already know, but others still need to let sink in.

Lol so what. Urban Meyer also says Ferentz is the model of consistency. What he means is how the hell does he do it at Iowa. Remember Urban Meyer is the very same man that faked a heart condition to run away from Saban and not lose his cred getting pummeled year in year out by Bama. Simple fact is Ferentz could easily win 9 to 10 games average per regular season at a school like OSU. The thing that holds Iowa back is we have 30 D1 players a season on a good year. The other kids are all working just to get to that level. OSU has 70+. They could field 2 separate teams that could compete with Iowa. That always has been and always will be the divide between us and the OSUs of the NCAA. Go get any coach in the world that you want. Vince Lombardi himself could only do so much with that little of talent across the board. If a football team was limited to 22 starters only per week then Iowa could have a shot at a National Championship. Outside of that it will require a miracle. God himself would have to part the red sea and show Iowa to the promised land .

 

[Ree4]

Now, if we can just convince Urban to come to Iowa! Get on that playmaker!

Somebody convinced him to come here on Saturday

 

[HawkGold]

Lol so what. Urban Meyer also says Ferentz is the model of consistency. What he means is how the hell does he do it at Iowa. Remember Urban Meyer is the very same man that faked a heart condition to run away from Saban and not lose his cred getting pummeled year in year out by Bama. Simple fact is Ferentz could easily win 9 to 10 games average per regular season at a school like OSU. The thing that holds Iowa back is we have 30 D1 players a season on a good year. The other kids are all working just to get to that level. OSU has 70+. They could field 2 separate teams that could compete with Iowa. That always has been and always will be the divide between us and the OSUs of the NCAA. Go get any coach in the world that you want. Vince Lombardi himself could only do so much with that little of talent across the board. If a football team was limited to 22 starters only per week then Iowa could have a shot at a National Championship. Outside of that it will require a miracle. God himself would have to part the red sea and show Iowa to the promised land .

So then you are a KF fan and not a UM fan? Does that sum up what you said?

 

[PCHawk]

So OSU has less losses in the last 5 years or so than all but a handful of P5 teams have this year? Good point I guess...

 

[Playmaker]

---------What he means is how the hell does he do it at Iowa.

How does he do what? Lead the league by 10 fold in losing games as a double digit favorite? Regularly battling MAC teams for recruits? Run 7th grade offense and defensive schemes? No offense to present day 7th graders being scouted by both Ball St. and Iowa.

 

[Adam]

So then you are a KF fan and not a UM fan? Does that sum up what you said?

I am neither fan nor foe to any grown man or woman in the coaching profession. However in a certain context I guess it could be summed up in this way. I respect Kirk Ferentz more as a Man, Father, Coach and humanitarian then I do of Urban Meyer. I believe Meyer to be of general questionable character. However I exceedingly respect the coaching resume of Urban Meyer over that of Kirk Ferentz and any other coach not named Nick Saban. Do I believe that Kirk is a better man? Yes. Do I believe he is the better coach? No I do not. However Kirk is the coach we have and I will still choose to appreciate his strong suits over his shortcomings and not stacking up to arguably the second best coach in the NCAA at arguably one of the five best football institutions in the country. In case this is confusing lol I will restate that I believe Kirk Ferentz is likely 1 to 2 wins better per year at Michigan or OSU. I believe that Kirk' s lack of charisma and Iowa's dusty midwest reputation have culminated to make the recruiting scene pretty bleak for Iowa. However oddly enough last cycle was one of our very best. However I don't know that I will ever get over losing the top prospect out of Iowa every single year (as it seems for awhile now). Trust me I have my complaints but I don't blame the man for not being as good as Urban Meyer. If he was he would be at OSU instead of Iowa lol. Also do I think that there is a reasonable target out there that could come and blow Kirk's body of work out of the water? No. I believe recruiting could pick up from where it is historically under a different coach, and maybe certain years could eclipse previous program highs, but I have major doubts that there are alot of candidates that could coach this long at Iowa at this level of consistency. I hope that I am wrong and all of those are actually achievable, because someday Kirk will be gone. I know it seems like a distant sunset but it will come faster than anticipated.

 

[taffaej]

 

[Adam]

---------What he means is how the hell does he do it at Iowa.

How does he do what? Lead the league by 10 fold in losing games as a double digit favorite? Regularly battling MAC teams for recruits? Run 7th grade offense and defensive schemes? No offense to present day 7th graders being scouted by both Ball St. and Iowa.

Look, I don't buy your rhetoric. The schemes are professional and the losses are explained by the simple fact that most years we are overall average or slightly better. Can you blame Ferentz for not being able to field a championship caliber team more than every 5 to 6 years? Sure. Ultimately all teams performances trickle down to the coach so go ahead, but it is silly to act like Kirk is some hobo from under the MLK bridge that has done nothing in his time here at Iowa. If that's what you're selling here I'm not interested.

 

[HawkGold]

I am neither fan nor foe to any grown man or woman in the coaching profession. However in a certain context I guess it could be summed up in this way. I respect Kirk Ferentz more as a Man, Father, Coach and humanitarian then I do of Urban Meyer. I believe Meyer to be of general questionable character. However I exceedingly respect the coaching resume of Urban Meyer over that of Kirk Ferentz and any other coach not named Nick Saban. Do I believe that Kirk is a better man? Yes. Do I believe he is the better coach? No I do not. However Kirk is the coach we have and I will still choose to appreciate his strong suits over his shortcomings and not stacking up to arguably the second best coach in the NCAA at arguably one of the five best football institutions in the country. In case this is confusing lol I will restate that I believe Kirk Ferentz is likely 1 to 2 wins better per year at Michigan or OSU. I believe that Kirk' s lack of charisma and Iowa's dusty midwest reputation have culminated to make the recruiting scene pretty bleak for Iowa. However oddly enough last cycle was one of our very best. However I don't know that I will ever get over losing the top prospect out of Iowa every single year (as it seems for awhile now). Trust me I have my complaints but I don't blame the man for not being as good as Urban Meyer. If he was he would be at OSU instead of Iowa lol. Also do I think that there is a reasonable target out there that could come and blow Kirk's body of work out of the water? No. I believe recruiting could pick up from where it is historically under a different coach, and maybe certain years could eclipse previous program highs, but I have major doubts that there are alot of candidates that could coach this long at Iowa at this level of consistency. I hope that I am wrong and all of those are actually achievable, because someday Kirk will be gone. I know it seems like a distant sunset but it will come faster than anticipated.

Well said position. No idea myself on UM. Taking a new job and relocating is a tough call on anyone. I would like the Florida weather I think. I do know how business works and I know a lot of stuff happens underneath the table. Who knows.

I do compliment on your though out response. One of the best I've seen.

 

[HaydenHawk56]

My take on Kirk is simple. Far from the worse coach in the world, but not a great coach either. Kirk is not your man if you want to win a National Title. Kirk is your man if you want to field a competitive team that tries hard and it keeps its head above water most years (6-7 wins and a bowl game) and puts itself in position to contend for the Big Ten Title every 4-6 years (in which they normally fail in those years on the big stage).

Because of the style of play, occasionally he will beat teams he has no business beating, but will also lose frequently to teams he has no business losing to. I think that is the big difference between Kirk and Hayden.

I think Kirk's biggest problem is not adjusting to the opponent he is playing. Offense is the sore spot in Kirk's schemes. Even though, typically, the defense can't stop a big time opponent when they need to at the end of a game, they usually do enough to win the game overall. His offensive approach is typically his downfall and is what holds the program back from being a good program to a very good program. His lack of recruiting in the skill positions is what ultimately keeps Iowa from being a great program.

Question is for Iowa fans is what is good enough? My problem with the little ole Iowa argument is look at Wisconsin and even Nebraska 25 years ago. You can win in bad weather states.

However, ultimately, it really does not matter to the U of I as long as Kirk is getting his teams to bowl games and fans are in the stands. And there is that contract.

So we are ultimately left with hope. Hope that this is the day we take down the giant or we don't crap all over our selves against the sisters of the poor. That's football under Ferentz.

 

[Adam]

Well said position. No idea myself on UM. Taking a new job and relocating is a tough call on anyone. I would like the Florida weather I think. I do know how business works and I know a lot of stuff happens underneath the table. Who knows.

I do compliment on your though out response. One of the best I've seen.

Thank you for the compliment. I know it can be hard to find value in someone else's opinion if it doesn't line up with our own lol.

 

[Adam]

My take on Kirk is simple. Far from the worse coach in the world, but not a great coach either. Kirk is not your man if you want to win a National Title. Kirk is your man if you want to field a competitive team that tries hard and it keeps its head above water most years (6-7 wins and a bowl game) and puts itself in position to contend for the Big Ten Title every 4-6 years (in which they normally fail in those years on the big stage).

Because of the style of play, occasionally he will beat teams he has no business beating, but will also lose frequently to teams he has no business losing to. I think that is the big difference between Kirk and Hayden.

I think Kirk's biggest problem is not adjusting to the opponent he is playing. Offense is the sore spot in Kirk's schemes. Even though, typically, the defense can't stop a big time opponent when they need to at the end of a game, they usually do enough to win the game overall. His offensive approach is typically his downfall and is what holds the program back from being a good program to a very good program. His lack of recruiting in the skill positions is what ultimately keeps Iowa from being a great program.

We have some minor differences in small takes but I overall agree with the broad statement. It all boils down to recruiting for me. I have seen enough of Kirk to believe that he is plenty good enough as a coach to win more games then he has at Iowa. If only we had boosters that were lining up top 100 recruits before our coaching staff even looked at a highlights reel. Give Kirk another 15 to 20 legit D1 players to the 30 he gets or creates each season on his own and I bet we don't lose near as many of the head scratchers to Minny, Northwestern and directional Michigans.