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He's doing one with Chris Williams now and he's of the belief that this season will be it for the Ferentzs.... He thinks that there's no salvaging this offense into becoming anything remotely decent and even if they win 8 or 9 games that BF just can't be brought back. He doesn't think Goetz would do that with how everything is. He mentioned how Iowa's became a national laughing stock over all this and she's going to want to stop it. So the dominos being he thinks she'll tell KF that BF has to go (contract stipulations being met or not) and KF will say then we're both done.

She's a wildcard.. A big time wildcard. I kinda figured since she didn't rip up BFs contract stipulations when she first took over for Barta that she's just not looking to rock the boat on that. With her being an interim still I think she was just wanting to give them this season to figure it out. With all the new changes personnel wise on O I think she wanted to see how this season looked and so far we have a pretty good idea it may even be worse. It's certainly not better.

Granted this is is through 4 games so far. All we've played are 3 cupcakes and the toughest game we'll have. The rest besides Wisconsin should be Ws almost for sure (at least before the season we all thought that) Can they get it going or will we have 2 or 3 more bad losses? We should smoke MSU but will we? I'm damn near done trying to figure out and guess what's what with this team. All I know is the end days for KF may be sooner than some including me may have thought.
 
Although Iowa will be favored to win most of its remaining games, the margin of error is too close to win all of them. Any game Iowa does not win the turnover battle is vulnerable. Looks more like a 8-4, 5-4 season to me. Not awful, but not great.
 
guffus said:
Although Iowa will be favored to win most of its remaining games, the margin of error is too close to win all of them. Any game Iowa does not win the turnover battle is vulnerable. Looks more like a 8-4, 5-4 season to me. Not awful, but not great.
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I agree with this. Not sure how we should be smoking anyone when our offense is as inconsistent as it is. We should be favored and our defense has the opportunity and ability to get it done, but bottom line is our offense still has to put points up to get it done on a weekly basis and I think we've seen that that is far from a guaranteed thing.
 
I listen to this weekly, and pretty much consume all of the Iowa podcast with all the Hawkfanatic casts, the HN casts, On Iowa casts, Iowa Everywhere casts, Hawkeye Report casts, Washed Up Walkons cast, 2 Peas in Pod cast....


and I regurgitate a lot of views that Jon, Leistikow, and Dochterman, Howe, Kakert have on this site. They help me form a lot of my opinions on Iowa sports. I have been saying this is probably it for Kirk all off season. Even if Iowa does somehow win 10 games, if the offense is still broken and as bad as it's been, Goetz isn't going to want her first move as AD to be signing a very unpopular OC. It would set a bad precedent and not be a baller 1st move.

It's why I also stated that firing BF would do almost NOTHING and chances are we don't upgrade at OC even with a new hire. Who wants to come to Iowa where the OC is the whipping boy of the fan base EVERY single year. It was KOK, then it was Davis, now it's Brian and that makes it worse because it's his kid....but make no mistake, it's not his kids offense. Revamping and having a modern offense would have to come from Kirk and I think he's too stubborn and wants to prove that it can be done his way.

I really hope the wheels don't fall off this season but the body language and some of the quotes from Cade and Niko last week make me think.... "woah, this isn't the company line, we may have lost some guys here".....but KF is a master at rallying the troops so I guess we'll see what happens. If Iowa loses to MSU Saturday, the bottom will fall out.
 
I really hope the Hawks put it together for the rest of the season, win the West, play well in the B10 Championship and go to/win a major NYD bowl game.
And Kirk retires.
It would be the best scenario to go out on top he will have in the foreseeable future.
The Ferentz football culture and strategy has served us well over the years, but the offensive game has changed while Iowa has resisted. It is showing in our recruitment and our performance against the top tier of the conference.
Too many coaches (and athletes) stay too long. I hope Kirk realizes it is time to let go and let the program move forward.
 
SCHawkeye2 said:
I really hope the Hawks put it together for the rest of the season, win the West, play well in the B10 Championship and go to/win a major NYD bowl game.
And Kirk retires.
It would be the best scenario to go out on top he will have in the foreseeable future.
The Ferentz football culture and strategy has served us well over the years, but the offensive game has changed while Iowa has resisted. It is showing in our recruitment and our performance against the top tier of the conference.
Too many coaches (and athletes) stay too long. I hope Kirk realizes it is time to let go and let the program move forward.
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agree, I just think the program is poised to move backward. We’re what #4 or #5 on the totem poll as it stands today in the B1G? I’m guessing the minute this season ends Iowa is probably 8th or 9th and if they don’t make the right hire, it could be more like 11th or 12th. We could be watching one of the last seasons Iowa football is relevant.

Or we make a good hire and things go well and we’re better. I’d just bet against that
 
InGoodCo said:
We could be watching one of the last seasons Iowa football is relevant.
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This is unfortunately much more likely than not.

Not promoting LeVar Woods with an eventual track to HC will go down as one of the biggest blunders in college football history, and Kurt's legacy will be tanking the program by not realizing that his spawn isn't the future torch bearer of Iowa football.

Which is sad because he could've ended with a legacy of success and continuing relevancy.
 
InGoodCo said:
I listen to this weekly, and pretty much consume all of the Iowa podcast with all the Hawkfanatic casts, the HN casts, On Iowa casts, Iowa Everywhere casts, Hawkeye Report casts, Washed Up Walkons cast, 2 Peas in Pod cast....


and I regurgitate a lot of views that Jon, Leistikow, and Dochterman, Howe, Kakert have on this site. They help me form a lot of my opinions on Iowa sports. I have been saying this is probably it for Kirk all off season. Even if Iowa does somehow win 10 games, if the offense is still broken and as bad as it's been, Goetz isn't going to want her first move as AD to be signing a very unpopular OC. It would set a bad precedent and not be a baller 1st move.
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So does she call Bob Stoops or not?

<ducks and runs>
 
I'm a little baffled why everyone thinks this will be KF's last year. He currently sits 3-1, with not a single ranked team left on the schedule the final 8 games of this season. The Hawks should end up a minimum 7-5, with a chance to win 8 games with a bowl win. Kirk has shown no indication that he plans to leave soon -- every indication is he's planning on sticking around at least another 3-4 years, if he's not fired. His mental and physical health seem good. He's the dean of the entire football coaching world.
Y'all don't think he enjoyed whipping USC in the bowl game a few years ago? You think he wouldn't want to beat UCLA at Kinnick in mid-November to 'make a F-you statement' to the world? That's how he rolls, boys & girls.
 
Goetz is in an extremely difficult spot.

First, there is almost zero doubt that she will be named the permanent AD. The transition was set up when she was hired, and now the process is simply a formality.

My guess is that her instinct was to tear up that ridiculous contract stipulation when she was hired, but didn't out of respect for Barta and a desire to not rock the boat right off the bat. Now, she is in a position where she can't tear it up, knowing that it would look like she was simply protecting Kirk's son - not a good look at all.

At the end of the season she will be balancing the contract stipulation, trustee and booster noise, a desire to not be the person that triggers the loss of an iconic coach, and her own insecurities with being new and making decisions that will have ramifications for the program for decades.

I don't envy her position.
 
InGoodCo said:
I listen to this weekly, and pretty much consume all of the Iowa podcast with all the Hawkfanatic casts, the HN casts, On Iowa casts, Iowa Everywhere casts, Hawkeye Report casts, Washed Up Walkons cast, 2 Peas in Pod cast....


and I regurgitate a lot of views that Jon, Leistikow, and Dochterman, Howe, Kakert have on this site. They help me form a lot of my opinions on Iowa sports. I have been saying this is probably it for Kirk all off season. Even if Iowa does somehow win 10 games, if the offense is still broken and as bad as it's been, Goetz isn't going to want her first move as AD to be signing a very unpopular OC. It would set a bad precedent and not be a baller 1st move.

It's why I also stated that firing BF would do almost NOTHING and chances are we don't upgrade at OC even with a new hire. Who wants to come to Iowa where the OC is the whipping boy of the fan base EVERY single year. It was KOK, then it was Davis, now it's Brian and that makes it worse because it's his kid....but make no mistake, it's not his kids offense. Revamping and having a modern offense would have to come from Kirk and I think he's too stubborn and wants to prove that it can be done his way.

I really hope the wheels don't fall off this season but the body language and some of the quotes from Cade and Niko last week make me think.... "woah, this isn't the company line, we may have lost some guys here".....but KF is a master at rallying the troops so I guess we'll see what happens. If Iowa loses to MSU Saturday, the bottom will fall out.
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I appreciate where the constraints on the O come from, but it has NEVER been this bad for this long under KF.

We were 99th in OFEI in 2007 (the earliest year for which we have data, and the tail-end of KF's first dip), but we bounced back with 30th in 2008.

It stunk in 2012 (103rd), but it improved over the next few years (72nd in 2013, 63rd in 2014, and 39th in 2015).

People ranted about Davis' last year in 2016 (60th OFEI), but that was following 39th in 2015, and we were decent when Brian took over in 2017 (44th).

Here is what Brian has done the last 4 years (we was decent his first 3, but looking back, we had a lot of offensive talent to work with):
2020: 64th
2021: 92nd
2022: 102nd
2023: 107th

There has never been a stretch in KF's career that even approaches how bad things have been over the last 30 games (2021 through present). Looking at that trajectory, and knowing that we have just doubled and quadrupled and 16xupled down...man, that takes a toll. There is no upside in staying on our path. A new play caller might not make a difference, but things have been busted for 3 seasons, and a change MUST be made. We have a former OC on staff as a consultant, he has been around the team for 2 years, it would not be a stretch to make a move.
 
Hawkfnntn said:
He's doing one with Chris Williams now and he's of the belief that this season will be it for the Ferentzs.... He thinks that there's no salvaging this offense into becoming anything remotely decent and even if they win 8 or 9 games that BF just can't be brought back. He doesn't think Goetz would do that with how everything is. He mentioned how Iowa's became a national laughing stock over all this and she's going to want to stop it. So the dominos being he thinks she'll tell KF that BF has to go (contract stipulations being met or not) and KF will say then we're both done.

She's a wildcard.. A big time wildcard. I kinda figured since she didn't rip up BFs contract stipulations when she first took over for Barta that she's just not looking to rock the boat on that. With her being an interim still I think she was just wanting to give them this season to figure it out. With all the new changes personnel wise on O I think she wanted to see how this season looked and so far we have a pretty good idea it may even be worse. It's certainly not better.

Granted this is is through 4 games so far. All we've played are 3 cupcakes and the toughest game we'll have. The rest besides Wisconsin should be Ws almost for sure (at least before the season we all thought that) Can they get it going or will we have 2 or 3 more bad losses? We should smoke MSU but will we? I'm damn near done trying to figure out and guess what's what with this team. All I know is the end days for KF may be sooner than some including me may have thought.
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Hawkboys said:
So does she call Bob Stoops or not?

<ducks and runs>
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Heard some different PODs bring his name up.... I can't see the new AD Goetz (I'm assuming she'll have the interim tag taken off eventually) who has no ties to him reaching out. And I can't see him making the first overture either. I've been wrong before though but I have a tough time seeing that.

The coaching search to replace KF would be an absolute fascinating one. Because of the new AD if nothing else. She's a wildcard as I've mentioned on other threads. She's new to the game and with no track record or history at the D1 level with having made any such hires how's she going to play it? What all coaches does she have history with when she was #2 other places that have maybe climbed the ladder? Any of them remotely qualified? Would she take a leap and hire Woods who I think the fan base would overwhelmingly be all for? That would come with some pushback too but all hires do. Heck if I know but we may find out sooner than later.
 
InGoodCo said:
agree, I just think the program is poised to move backward. We’re what #4 or #5 on the totem poll as it stands today in the B1G? I’m guessing the minute this season ends Iowa is probably 8th or 9th and if they don’t make the right hire, it could be more like 11th or 12th. We could be watching one of the last seasons Iowa football is relevant.

Or we make a good hire and things go well and we’re better. I’d just bet against that
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We will probably, now or Ever, going to be better than #3

That's if Wisconsin has an off-year

Will probably not matter who the coach/ OC is

We have had a few glory years, and unfortunately, that is, more than likely, all it will ever be

Things remain to be seen
 
And I appreciate those that argue that on balance Iowa has been an enviable program over the last 40 years, and even recently. But the last 3 years have been bad not only from a big-picture stats perspective, but as we look more granularly, there have been brutal individual games where the offense was either directly responsible for the L, or where they put up a national laughingstock-level performance:


As the #2 team in the country in 2021, we got dominated by unranked Purdue 24-7. We had 278 yards, averaged 2.7 yds/carry, and had 4 TOs.

The following week we got handled by a pretty mediocre Badgers team. 27-7, 156 yds, 3 TOs, 0.8 yds/carry. Our first first-half series:
3 and out
3 and out
3 and out
3 and fumble
2 and fumble
3 and out
6 plays, 12 yards, punt

We righted the ship somewhat and squeaked into the B1G championship game, where we scored 3 points. 8 of our 13 possessions were 4 plays or fewer.

In 2022 we lost to a bad ISU team we had no business losing to, scoring 7 points in the process (on a 16 yard drive after a blocked punt). 150 yards, 3 TOs. Yes, it was raining, but some teams score points in the rain.

We lost to Illinois, scoring 6 points. After getting a FG on the opening drive (how often under BF have we looked decent for 1-2 drives before completely falling apart?), they went:
3 and out (6 yds)
3 and out (-11 yds)
3 and out (took over at Ill 35 yds line, -6 yds)
3 plays and FG (took over at Ill 5 yard line after fumble, went backwards 4 yards before kicking FG)
Decent drive before half (10 plays, 52 yds, missed FG)
3 and out (-4 yds)
4 and out (-19 yds)
That is 5 drives out of 6 that WENT BACKWARDS!

OSU, we probably aren't going to win it anyway, but our D was playing damn well! The offensive actively gave the game away!
158 yds, 8 first downs, 6 TOs, 2/17 on 3rd or 4th down attempts
Drives:
Interception on 1st play
3 and out
3 and fumble
3 and out (failed to convert fake punt)
10 plays, 44 yds, FG (yay!)
3 and out
6 for 24 yds before half
1 play, fumble
2 plays, interception
7 plays, 20 yds, downs
7 plays, 19 yds, punt
4 plays, 9 yards, downs
5 plays, 31 yds, fumble
3 and out


We lost to a lousy Nebraska team at home with a B1G West Championship on the line. We scored 17, 274 yds, 4 TOs. Here are the first half drives:
3 and out
6 for 24, punt
4 plays, fumble
13 plays, 31 yds, fumble (it is almost impossible to have a 13 play drive that only gains 31 yds)
4 plays, 3 yds, punt
3 plays, -7 yds, punt (down 17-0 at half)
The offense put a couple drives together and was in a position to win as Nebraska was trying to hand us the game. We were down 10, and Nebraska had just fumbled the ball to us on their own 27. Here is what we did to close out the game:
3 plays, 0 yards, FG
7 plays, 11 yards, downs
4 plays, 16 yards downs

And then this year's beauty at PSU: 4 first downs (7 straight drives without a 1st down after the initial 2 drives), 76 yards, 3 TOs, -30 minutes in time of possession.


You can't keep touting the fact that we are better than a lousy B1G West, you have to control the processes you can control to improve your team. No one can look at the offense objectively and argue it has been anything but a huge net negative for 3 years running, and it needs to be fixed.
 
I get this is a message Board and speculating about the future is 90% of what we do around here. But, my god this is all so premature. If the rest of the season goes to chalk, we will be 10-2, ranked around 20th and be in line for a really good bowl game. Even if it is 8 or 9 games, again, a lot of fan bases would kill to consistently win 8-9 games.

But hey, let's force Frank Solich out because he will not update the offense and we can find a coach who can "take us to the next level." What could go wrong there??????
 
CP87 said:
I appreciate where the constraints on the O come from, but it has NEVER been this bad for this long under KF.

We were 99th in OFEI in 2007 (the earliest year for which we have data, and the tail-end of KF's first dip), but we bounced back with 30th in 2008.

It stunk in 2012 (103rd), but it improved over the next few years (72nd in 2013, 63rd in 2014, and 39th in 2015).

People ranted about Davis' last year in 2016 (60th OFEI), but that was following 39th in 2015, and we were decent when Brian took over in 2017 (44th).

Here is what Brian has done the last 4 years (we was decent his first 3, but looking back, we had a lot of offensive talent to work with):
2020: 64th
2021: 92nd
2022: 102nd
2023: 107th

There has never been a stretch in KF's career that even approaches how bad things have been over the last 30 games (2021 through present). Looking at that trajectory, and knowing that we have just doubled and quadrupled and 16xupled down...man, that takes a toll. There is no upside in staying on our path. A new play caller might not make a difference, but things have been busted for 3 seasons, and a change MUST be made. We have a former OC on staff as a consultant, he has been around the team for 2 years, it would not be a stretch to make a move.
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Exactly... and 2020 was the covid shortened weird ass yr. What all you wrote is why Barta did what he did with BFs contract. It wasn't that he just had a bad last season. It's the combination of his tenure pretty much. The inability to develop a Qb, Oline or WR room for 3 plus yrs is a nonstarter for an OC most anywhere and it should be here too. It's all of the above.

Everyone makes a big deal about the playbook the playbook... Well to me it's more about situational play calling than the book itself. You can have the same plays and formations to pick from but picking which ones to run on 2nd and 5 situationally can make a huge ass difference. This is where BF is terrible to me. He'll randomly throw in a reverse or something randomly risky at the worst time that doesn't work and have it kill whatever momentum they'd have.

He can have a 'waste down' where it's 2nd and 2 from midfield and he'll just run a dive up the middle instead of taking a shot downfield. They have shot plays in the playbook they do exist. Once in a blue moon they do run them. But situationally they need to do them way more often. Maybe try going 3 WRs more often and try running out of those formations more with the D spread out. They do have that in playbook too. So to me it's just what they try to call and when they call them as opposed to the book itself that they tend to go by.
 
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