Is it Kirk or KOK?

LoewDog

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I am no KOK fan but it was always in the back of my mind that he used to run spread but Kirk has the lid on him.

It looked like that was true, and that Kirk finally took the lid off.

Then PSU happened.

So what is it?

Is KOK a good OC when he gets to call it his way, but Kirk lids him?

or

Is KOK a liability who cannot consistently game plan an offense?

I'm more confused about this than ever.
 
It's both. However, it's much easier to replace an OC than a HC. If things don't get any better this season, KF will be forced to make some changes in the staff...at least I would hope so.
 
See: 2002, 2004, 2005, and the first 2/3 of 2010.

When KOK is allowed to do what he does best, those^ are the kinds of offenses he can produce. He's good at what he does when he's allowed to let it loose. He's not great when the lid is on. He's okay, but not THAT good.
 
It's both. However, it's much easier to replace an OC than a HC. If things don't get any better this season, KF will be forced to make some changes in the staff...at least I would hope so.

Kirk will never be "forced" to make changes.
 
All due respect PSU happened because we didn't execute worth a **** offensively. The O-Line didn't handle blitz pick up particularly well, Vandenburg made several mistakess, and Coker isn't as explosive as we thought he would be.

Couple that off with a top ten in the nation Defense and you get 3 fricken points.
 
It's both. However, it's much easier to replace an OC than a HC. If things don't get any better this season, KF will be forced to make some changes in the staff...at least I would hope so.

Forcing a HC to fire assistants is a terrible idea that is usually the last move before firing the HC himself.

Kirk is a long way from being pressured by the UIowa administration to fire assistants. The good news is that the fans don't have the power to fire him.
 
Forcing a HC to fire assistants is a terrible idea that is usually the last move before firing the HC himself.

Kirk is a long way from being pressured by the UIowa administration to fire assistants. The good news is that the fans don't have the power to fire him.

worked for illinois. Though I think Iowa's assistants are fine. Also when Norm retires, I can't imagine he will hire someone outside of the program (in response to Stoops to Iowa as DC thread).

Same with OC
 
I could see Diaco comming home to be a DC if Norm hangs em up, unless of course he's a HC by then.
 
worked for illinois. Though I think Iowa's assistants are fine. Also when Norm retires, I can't imagine he will hire someone outside of the program (in response to Stoops to Iowa as DC thread).

Same with OC

You might want to wait a few games before you hold up Illinois as an exemplar of the benefits of firing coordinators and hiring new ones. The Illini may be 6-0 but have beaten no one of import this year. Northwestern is by far the best team they've played and they had to depend on a Wildcat implosion to win that one.
 
All due respect PSU happened because we didn't execute worth a **** offensively. The O-Line didn't handle blitz pick up particularly well, Vandenburg made several mistakess, and Coker isn't as explosive as we thought he would be.

Couple that off with a top ten in the nation Defense and you get 3 fricken points.

Duff, I totally agree with you on this - we lost because we didn't "execute" and made many, many mistakes. My small gripe, though, is that it was obvious by midway through the 3rd quarter that we weren't physically capable of executing the gameplan. We were not able to pick up blitzes, PSU was playing insanely aggressive, flowing hard to the ball and Coker was slow getting to the line. PSU's D was as good as advertised.

I realize we need to "execute" to win games, but that's not the first part of the equation. The first part of the equation is determining "are the players capable of executing what we are asking them to execute?" That answer at least on Saturday was an obvious, "No." That's where the gameday/X's & O's coaching comes into play which frankly we seem to lack. We were not physically capable of executing the blitz pickup, not physically able to handle PSU's aggressive flow to the ball, so let's try something to slow them down/get them out of position - a screen, counter, roll-out, quick toss out to the wideout, hard count to get them to jump offsides a few times, a trap play, etc. None of that occurred and that's on the coaches.

If a player simply lacks the tools/talent/strength etc. to "execute" a play, than simply telling him to "execute" isn't going to get it done. To me the best game coaches are the ones who can move the chess pieces around enough to allow their undermanned players a chance "execute", which usually entails getting an overly aggressive opponent out of position or finding the 2 or 3 matchups where we are better than the opponent and exploiting them. This is Northwestern football 101, and it's obviously easier said than done.

As the game wore on it was obvious our guys simply did not have the ability to "execute" what we were asking them to do, so at that point, for there to be any chance to win, the coaches needed to adjust and try to put the players in a better position to allow them to "execute" - i.e. a screen pass, a counter, a couple of roll-outs, simply taking the snap and tossing it out to McNutt or Davis to see if they could make a play, etc.

Our players simply did not have the ability to "execute" a mano-a-mano gameplan. So sitting here saying, "we just need to execute" is the same as putting me in at left guard and telling me to "just execute". If I physically can't do it, than we need to try something else.

This was a 3 point game late in the fourth. As horrific as we played, there was a chance to win, but from my perspective instead of moving the chess pieces the coaches kept asking players to "execute" plays they physically were not able to "execute" against this particular opponent.
 
It's all Kirk putting the lid on KOK. Look at what Ken did when he was a head coach, he ran a wide open O.
 
I think KOK really struggled calling plays this weekend and is slow to adjust to what a defense is doing at any given time. Iowa's play designs in the passing game are often a mystery to me. It doesn't seem like they go out of their way to attack a weak spot on an opposing defense, nor feature a specific match up ever.
 
I am no KOK fan but it was always in the back of my mind that he used to run spread but Kirk has the lid on him.

It looked like that was true, and that Kirk finally took the lid off.

Then PSU happened.

So what is it?

Is KOK a good OC when he gets to call it his way, but Kirk lids him?

or

Is KOK a liability who cannot consistently game plan an offense?

I'm more confused about this than ever.


Read the "GameFilm" evals. What you saw last Saturday had much les to do with coaching than with poor execution by PLAYERS. But more than that, credit is due PSU. They played exceptional D, and took advantage of some breaks.
 
It's an offensive scheme that requires execution at a higher rate than other offensive schemes. The rate of execution required needs more talent than we're able to consistently put on the field each year. This is why our offense has been in the bottom third of the nation in total yards and scoring close to 50% of the KOK era....
 
To me it looked like a different guy was calling the offense. Granted the blitz caused problems, but no attempts down field after being so successful with it seems strange.
 
See: 2002, 2004, 2005, and the first 2/3 of 2010.

When KOK is allowed to do what he does best, those^ are the kinds of offenses he can produce. He's good at what he does when he's allowed to let it loose. He's not great when the lid is on. He's okay, but not THAT good.


TM, you're generally a very reasonable poster around here but this is the 2nd time you've said this and included "the first 2/3 of 2010". Do you REALLY think after 8 games last season (with Iowa 6-2 and having just thumped a top 10 MSU team) that KF said "Ken, you're getting out of control and we're scoring a few too many points for my liking. You need to tone it down"??? Injuries had everything to do with the offense taking a dive at that point in the year. Reality is we ride a fine line between very effective and average, and injuries & execution can land us on either side of that line.

Not trying to call you out directly, just confused by the comments.
 
Kirk is the problem in many ways. O'Keefe is just one of the stooges (assistant coaches) drawing a paycheck and following Kirk's orders. O'Keefe being the head guy would probably be very successful if he ever decided to get out from under Kirk's shadow. The other stooges, other than Campbell, are another thing entirely. They'd probably have trouble getting another decent coaching gig at the college level.
 
TM, you're generally a very reasonable poster around here but this is the 2nd time you've said this and included "the first 2/3 of 2010". Do you REALLY think after 8 games last season (with Iowa 6-2 and having just thumped a top 10 MSU team) that KF said "Ken, you're getting out of control and we're scoring a few too many points for my liking. You need to tone it down"??? Injuries had everything to do with the offense taking a dive at that point in the year. Reality is we ride a fine line between very effective and average, and injuries & execution can land us on either side of that line.

Not trying to call you out directly, just confused by the comments.

In 2010, it wasn't so much KF that handcuffed KOK. Injuries did that. But regardless, it still stands to show that when either KF allows him, or circumstances (team health/suspensions/etc.) allow him to be aggressive.
 
I could see Diaco comming home to be a DC if Norm hangs em up, unless of course he's a HC by then.

I like seeing former Hawks come back as much as the next guy, but I don't think of the Cincinnati or ND defenses he's coached as being anything special.
 

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