Is Iowa's depth a double edged sword?

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The Hawks have certainly taken advantage of being one of the deepest teams in all of college basketball. Often they just wear out their opponents.

But not all teams can simply be run off the floor. More talented teams have given Iowa fits. (not unusual, I know) Those teams are able to reach down and find a leader to step up and deliver.

When Iowa needs that leadership there is no one taking that lead. It's like they are all waiting for someone else to do it.

My theory: discuss
 
Our style of play requires depth. Our style of play will be more successful in the NCAA against teams that don't know us inside and out. The general idea of having quality depth will serve us well in the BTT and NCAA Tournament. I view it as only a positive. And as I have said repeatedly...the in game rotation is usually 8 guys and changes from game to game.
 
Depth is a good thing. The inability to effectively use that depth is where the problem lies.

For example, sitting your most effective point guard with 3 fouls until only 6 minutes remains in the game is not an effective use of depth. Putting a 6'6" wing on Emir Williams who promptly dunked it on an out of bounds lob play with 2 seconds on the shot clock when you have a 7 footer with an 8 foot wing span in Gabe sitting on the bench is not an effective use of depth. Continually sitting both of your 7 footers in crunch time and then seeing the opposing team grab multiple offensive rebounds to burn more clock is not an effective use of depth. Having an entire 2nd five on the court at one time, with all starters on the bench, is not an effective use of depth.

So to answer your question, no, I don't think depth is a double edged sword. But having a coach who seems to do everything else right but manage that depth is a double edged sword.
 
Here is how I see it.... McCabe and Uthoff are the 2 guys that MUST step up. There play is not at the level they were at earlier in the year.

The way they are playing.... we really aren't a deep team, well at least not quality depth.
 
The Hawks have certainly taken advantage of being one of the deepest teams in all of college basketball. Often they just wear out their opponents.

But not all teams can simply be run off the floor. More talented teams have given Iowa fits. (not unusual, I know) Those teams are able to reach down and find a leader to step up and deliver.

When Iowa needs that leadership there is no one taking that lead. It's like they are all waiting for someone else to do it.

My theory: discuss
Yes, depth is good. No, depth and leadership aren't linked.

Marble is the leader of the team. Most nights he's good; some nights he's average against top quality teams.
White is number two on the team. Most night's he's average; some nights he's good against top quality teams.

Iowa's losses have come against teams that have more talented guards than Iowa.
 
I think it helps us in recruiting. Recruits love it when they know they will get lots of minutes without needing to produce. Other teams only play 7 or 8 guys and those teams put pressure on those guys to produce or sit. With our system, players get minutes no matter what. It reminds of grade school, they let me play on teams even though I sucked.
 
I think it helps us in recruiting. Recruits love it when they know they will get lots of minutes without needing to produce. Other teams only play 7 or 8 guys and those teams put pressure on those guys to produce or sit. With our system, players get minutes no matter what. It reminds of grade school, they let me play on teams even though I sucked.

I laughed because it's kind of true. Except it's not true for EVERYONE on the team. If Basabe fumbles a pass from Gesell on an out of bounds play he sits forever. If Olaseni loses Williams on defense and Williams scores, Gabe sits. But if McCabe jacks up threes that miss badly, runs over guys going to the hoop and charges, or gets dunked on on an out of bounds play....no biggie, just keep him in.
 
Depth is a good thing. The inability to effectively use that depth is where the problem lies.

For example, sitting your most effective point guard with 3 fouls until only 6 minutes remains in the game is not an effective use of depth. Putting a 6'6" wing on Emir Williams who promptly dunked it on an out of bounds lob play with 2 seconds on the shot clock when you have a 7 footer with an 8 foot wing span in Gabe sitting on the bench is not an effective use of depth. Continually sitting both of your 7 footers in crunch time and then seeing the opposing team grab multiple offensive rebounds to burn more clock is not an effective use of depth. Having an entire 2nd five on the court at one time, with all starters on the bench, is not an effective use of depth.

So to answer your question, no, I don't think depth is a double edged sword. But having a coach who seems to do everything else right but manage that depth is a double edged sword.

I can't "like" this enough!

The three most improved players on the team -- often to the point of carrying the team through Marbleless and Whiteless stretches -- are Gabe, Woody and Gesell, in that order. The three players that seem to be the most under utilized, in lieu of McCabe, Oglesby, Uthoff and (of all players) Jok, are Gabe, Woody and Gesell.

When you have significantly more depth, significant improvement by several to compliment your "stars" and greater experience over last year's team yet continue to play far below your ability relative to your capability than last year's team, the (middle) finger needs to be pointed at Fran McCaffery.

He's completely mismanaging his depth for the sake of having it. He is breaking this team and undermining the potential they could achieve.

We will see if he is completely oblivious to it or if he finally realizes it against Michigan. If McCabe or Oglesby (let alone, Jok) see the floor for more than 2 misses against Michigan, or, if Fran thinks he's going to go small ball to match-up against Michigan's backcourt, and get in a shooting contest with Stauskus, Iowa is going to lose. If he continues his line-change rotation strategy and completely abandons attacking inside with his only strengths -- size, length and attacking the rim to get to the line / get put backs -- Iowa is going to lose; not only Saturday but several more.

It's simply not a recipe for this Iowa team's success. If it continues, what once had the potential to be a very special year will go down in flames with quick exits from the tourneys.
 
I think it helps us in recruiting. Recruits love it when they know they will get lots of minutes without needing to produce. Other teams only play 7 or 8 guys and those teams put pressure on those guys to produce or sit. With our system, players get minutes no matter what. It reminds of grade school, they let me play on teams even though I sucked.
Totally disagree with this. As long as any blue chip recruit realizes he may play only 20 minutes of any game, he will probably go to another university where he will play 40 minutes a game. That's a great picture of Gesell in your icon, BTW.
 
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Make 25% of our threes and a couple more free throws and we win...while playing less than average as a team. Why did Uthoff sit in favor of Jok? Why is Gabe getting more minutes? Fran isn't a close minded coach. He will get it figured out by the time it really matters...March 20.
 
Does this Iowa have talented depth or just a group a similarly talented guys. The difference between #1-11 is not that great on Iowa, but none our great players.

I can't imagine that Iowa's 9-11 players are any better than those on other top 25 teams, yet they all get minutes for Iowa when their best players sit. Players 9-11 on most good teams ride the bench. Iowa needs to use a 8-9 man rotation and stick with it.
 
Depth is great when you press, play pressure D and run. We are pressing, but not playing pressure D and aren't running much. Depth doesn't do much good in a slow down game like we have been playing. We need to score in the 80's or more to win.
 
Depth is great when you press, play pressure D and run. We are pressing, but not playing pressure D and aren't running much. Depth doesn't do much good in a slow down game like we have been playing. We need to score in the 80's or more to win.
Agreed
 

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