Iowa or Michigan State?

proudhawkfan21

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If you take last year AND this year, who would you rather be results-wise? Win conference championship, get smoked in the playoff, losing record the next year. OR. Lose conf title game, get smoked in the Rose Bowl, have 8 wins and a decent bowl within reach in year 2. Comparing just Iowa and MSU, I like where we stand. Your thoughts?
 
I'd rather be Michigan state by a hair, but I'm loving this Sparty implosion. Makes me wish we were playing them this week instead of Illinois.
 
Wish it could've been beat Sparty and Rose Bowl.
Went to Rose Bowl and took everything in, which was better than going to Dallas.
 
If you take last year AND this year, who would you rather be results-wise? Win conference championship, get smoked in the playoff, losing record the next year. OR. Lose conf title game, get smoked in the Rose Bowl, have 8 wins and a decent bowl within reach in year 2. Comparing just Iowa and MSU, I like where we stand. Your thoughts?

8 wins? It's a stronger possibility after the upset but certainly not a given. If I had to put confidence points on 6, 7 or 8 wins, it'd be in this order: 7 - 6 - 8.

This weekend - a cold, windy road game in an empty stadium after a huge upset - will tell a lot about this team's grit.
 
8 wins? It's a stronger possibility after the upset but certainly not a given. If I had to put confidence points on 6, 7 or 8 wins, it'd be in this order: 7 - 6 - 8.

This weekend - a cold, windy road game in an empty stadium after a huge upset - will tell a lot about this team's grit.
8 wins is still a possibility. Remember Tommy Frazier likes to throw to black and Gold unis lpl
 
Great question and tough call. I don't know what I would prefer. If we can win out the rest of our game and Sparty loses out, that is a tough last year for Sparty fan. They would be 3-10 in their last 13, that is pretty tough. At least we would be 8-4 with wins over 3 of our 4 rivals and a win over Michigan. If we lose out the rest of the year, then yeah maybe? I'm not sure if a trip to the college football playoffs is worth that much only to receive a beat down in the first game, and follow that up with a 3-9 season? That would be almost impossible to swallow. If we beat Ill. and Nebraska then we win 3 out of 4 trophy games and have a win over Michigan with a pretty decent bowl game as well. That is 1000X better than Sparty this year.
 
8 wins? It's a stronger possibility after the upset but certainly not a given. If I had to put confidence points on 6, 7 or 8 wins, it'd be in this order: 7 - 6 - 8.

This weekend - a cold, windy road game in an empty stadium after a huge upset - will tell a lot about this team's grit.

This is why I need the last 2 games of data to decide. 6-6 would be a major, major disappointment.
 
If you take last year AND this year, who would you rather be results-wise? Win conference championship, get smoked in the playoff, losing record the next year. OR. Lose conf title game, get smoked in the Rose Bowl, have 8 wins and a decent bowl within reach in year 2. Comparing just Iowa and MSU, I like where we stand. Your thoughts?
good question.

I'd take the conference championship.

That being said, I know me. And if Iowa-MSU were flipped then I could become Ickehawk of 2016 pretty easily.




Okay, not even MSU's debacle of a season could do that to me. But I would be very unhappy.
 
I would take the outright B1G championship and playoff appearance followed by a total dud season in 2016. Iowa hasn't won an outright B1G championship since 1985.
 
This is why I need the last 2 games of data to decide. 6-6 would be a major, major disappointment.

I don't know ... awesome upset notwithstanding, it's already going to finish a little disappointing, relative to expectation, on both a personal and national level.

I'm not sitting here full of torment and lament (because I've come to expect it out of derKirkFeravis) but the Hawks have really under performed from what my personal hopes / expectations were for the season. I know that's a "me" problem but I do try to be reasonable. I'll stick with the confidence points approach:
- As posted earlier, right now, I'd say # of W's = 7, 6, 8;
- Same time last week, I'd say 6, 7, 8. Again, GREAT upset over UM but, because of the early season underperformance, it only moves the needle 1 slot.
- Preseason pick = 9, 10, 11 W's (6 and 7 not even a consideration.)

On a more national level, the huge majority of analysts and fans expected Iowa to repeat as West champs. While no one thought MSU would have this level of collapse, few, if any, expected MSU to repeat in the East. If Iowa wulda taken care of its "shulda" business, they are now 9-1 (I'll still concede PSU) and, after the timing of last weekend's carnage, they are likely in the top 5 or 6 of tonight's playoff rankings.

Iowa is in a better position to avoid a catastrophe like MSU's season but, right now, the comparison is still debatable. (Iowa get's the edge to claim that it's not the stinkiest turd of 2016, so far.;) ) Here's the reality of it, tho:
Iowa could still finish 6-6 and MSU could still finish 5-7. That's not much separation of suckiness and, again, relative to expectation (and schedule, etc), it's not an outlandish argument to call 6-6 Iowa worse than 5-7 MSU.
 
Add a bowl win, 9-4, and I'd take Iowa over MSU. A bowl loss, 8-5, and it would be closer. To digress, losing to Wisconsin this year is more painful now.
 
If you take last year AND this year, who would you rather be results-wise?

For just that small window, it's pretty even.

My question is, why such a small window? You say in other posts that a strength of KF's is consistency, so why limit this discussion to 2 years?

What if we add 2014? MSU was 11-2, beat Baylor in the Cotton Bowl, and finished #5. Iowa was 7-6 and got stomped in the Taxslayer Bowl. I know which of those 3-year sets I'd prefer.

What if we go 2015-2017, factoring in expectations for next year? I know nothing about MSU's outlook, but I have more confidence in them being really good than in Iowa. Because down years are clearly more rare for them.
 
I'm a past seasons are behind type of guy so I think with that said I'd rather be the Hawks (depending on how this season plays out). That said if using the time frame since Dantonio has been there (2007) I think I'd rather have their success.
 
6-6 would be very disappointing. It was going to be disappointing before the Michigan game, and would be even more so now. We *should* beat Illinois as we are quite a bit more talented than them. I'm also not blown away by Nebraska. When they've played good teams they haven't been impressive. They lost to Wisconsin by about the same amount we did, and they got absolutely murdered by Ohio State. They beat Minnesota by 7 like we did. Their early season win against Oregon is no longer a good win as Oregon has totally imploded.
 
For just that small window, it's pretty even.

My question is, why such a small window? You say in other posts that a strength of KF's is consistency, so why limit this discussion to 2 years?

What if we add 2014? MSU was 11-2, beat Baylor in the Cotton Bowl, and finished #5. Iowa was 7-6 and got stomped in the Taxslayer Bowl. I know which of those 3-year sets I'd prefer.

What if we go 2015-2017, factoring in expectations for next year? I know nothing about MSU's outlook, but I have more confidence in them being really good than in Iowa. Because down years are clearly more rare for them.
The question was for a 2 year window because everyone wants to lose their mind on how a good team or coach can go from championship level to 4-8...or worse...perhaps 8-4 *gasp*
 
I'll take the conference championship and it isn't even close. These winning seasons and bowl games are nice but none of those beat adding a Big Ten Championship Trophy to the trophy case.
 
For just that small window, it's pretty even.

My question is, why such a small window? You say in other posts that a strength of KF's is consistency, so why limit this discussion to 2 years?

What if we add 2014? MSU was 11-2, beat Baylor in the Cotton Bowl, and finished #5. Iowa was 7-6 and got stomped in the Taxslayer Bowl. I know which of those 3-year sets I'd prefer.

What if we go 2015-2017, factoring in expectations for next year? I know nothing about MSU's outlook, but I have more confidence in them being really good than in Iowa. Because down years are clearly more rare for them.

The small window makes for a good discussion. Having a bigger window would be like saying would you rather be Iowa or Alabama. So obvious it's pointless to discuss.
 
I would go with MSU for two reasons. One is the conference championship. The other is how bad Indy sucked after the loss. The memories of that night after a win would be worth this year.

Another thing to remember is we wouldn't have the memory of 12-0 anymore since MSU lost a regular season game. That might be enough to tip the scales for some.
 
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