Iowa needs to self-scout

[hwk23]

Just listening to HN podcast and Deace is right. Iowa needs to self-scout. There are things we do, I believe, that teams have picked up on over the years and gained an advantage on us. We may not even realize it. A good poker player never gives away your tell. For example, I think teams may have picked up on how we audible and know where the play is going when we do it. They show a certain defense but it's really a trap. Also, I think maybe we need more plays to counteract how teams defend the outside zone plays. Those Wisconsin LBs were absolutely playing with their hair on fire, like they knew where the play was going before it happened, especially on the outside runs.

Also, on defense, maybe we should play more aggressively, more blitzes and man to man, especially against weaker teams. We need to play in a way that doesn't keep the game close against weak teams. It works great against more talented teams but not so much against weaker teams. Iowa has almost the opposite philosophy of a Wisconsin. That's why I think Wisconsin has a tougher time beating the tOSUs and Michigan's than we do but does much better against less talented teams.

The problem is there is too little margin for error. Anyone can win a one score game. We have to be MUCH better than the opposition, not just a little bit, to hope to win out. Even if we are favored in every game but PSU, we still are likely to lose a game or to we are favored in, especially if we play to keep the game close. It's just the math of it. If we are 70% on average to win each remaining games, we would still expect to win only 5.6 of the remaining 8.

 

[uihawk82]

Just listening to HN podcast and Deace is right. Iowa needs to self-scout. There are things we do, I believe, that teams have picked up on over the years and gained an advantage on us. .

You dont say. Most of the hawk fans in the stands and watching on tv can call the plays pretty well by down and distance and formation.

I am not trying to be an ass but KF is not one to go against tendencies and he feels if they execute they will win even if people know what is coming.

I would love to see us break tendencies with double type screen plays, halfback pass, two running backs split in the backfield to run different plays off of, run the other direction than the direction the QB turns from under center (which has always been a helluva tell in KF's scheme). Fake bubble screen and send a WR blocker down the field after a fake block. Anything to get teams out of 8 in the box etc

On defense the blitz in the QB straight up the gut or quick off the edge is one of the best for getting a negative play.

 

[westender]

Did Mr. Obvious also state that "turnovers bad" and will most often cause a team to lose?

 

[pythagoras]

Did Mr. Obvious also state that "turnovers bad" and will most often cause a team to lose?

 

[HawkGold]

The punt return fumble by Beyer was easy to see coming. Any school can find someone with speed to run with the ball and a high rate of speed. The key is hanging on to it. He runs that way a lot as he gets into a seam. It's not about self scouting, anyone on the team could have seen that coming then or other times. That is just a coaching error. You are going to "bump" into other players when returning. Fumbles are going to happen on punt returns. They will happen much more oft holding the ball like that.

The punt where the ball hit a player was about lack of communication on the field. The player should have known, but leadership on the field should have been pushing players away.

The fair catch...Guessing he didn't know where he was but no way he didn't know he was inside the 12.

It's just bad coaching.

Not throwing to an isolated Fant is plain out a KF tendency and a QB who is never by personality going to be a rebel.

 

[WinOneThisCentury]

So...I'm confused about the Iowa predictability criticism on offense.

Doesn't the fact that all the Brian Ferentz haters think he should have called something else in certain situations mean that he is in fact unpredictable from their perspective, hence rendering their argument null and void?

 

[DDThompson]

The punt return fumble by Beyer was easy to see coming. Any school can find someone with speed to run with the ball and a high rate of speed. The key is hanging on to it. He runs that way a lot as he gets into a seam. It's not about self scouting, anyone on the team could have seen that coming then or other times. That is just a coaching error. You are going to "bump" into other players when returning. Fumbles are going to happen on punt returns. They will happen much more oft holding the ball like that.

Beyer did not fumble a punt return because he did not have a punt return.

You need to do a better job of coaching up your posting.

 

[HawkGold]

Beyer did not fumble a punt return because he did not have a punt return.

You need to do a better job of coaching up your posting.

Just got back from several days of traveling and no sleep... aka jet lag.. OK Groeneweg.

 

[hawkdrummer1]

Smart "companies" do surveys and gather data to find out what the perception of them is in the marketplace and where their brand is vulnerable to the competition. They use that info to improve and shore up problem areas.

Other "companies" stubbornly do the same thing over and over and don't place much value in such data.

 

[Xerxes]

You dont say. Most of the hawk fans in the stands and watching on tv can call the plays pretty well by down and distance and formation.

I am not trying to be an ass but KF is not one to go against tendencies and he feels if they execute they will win even if people know what is coming.

I would love to see us break tendencies with double type screen plays, halfback pass, two running backs split in the backfield to run different plays off of, run the other direction than the direction the QB turns from under center (which has always been a helluva tell in KF's scheme). Fake bubble screen and send a WR blocker down the field after a fake block. Anything to get teams out of 8 in the box etc

On defense the blitz in the QB straight up the gut or quick off the edge is one of the best for getting a negative play.

This is exactly right and why Kirk doesn't get bent out of shape when Iowa gets dropped for a 5 yard loss on 3rd and 1 because the D knew the play pre-snap or when they give up a TD because a the opposing OC has designed a play to make sure an Iowa LB is covering a WR. He believes in execution over scheme. Always has always will.

 

[pythagoras]

So...I'm confused about the Iowa predictability criticism on offense.

Doesn't the fact that all the Brian Ferentz haters think he should have called something else in certain situations mean that he is in fact unpredictable from their perspective, hence rendering their argument null and void?

Most here ignore or don't understand facts.

 

[DDThompson]

Just got back from several days of traveling and no sleep... aka jet lag.. OK Groeneweg.

Do better.
No excuses for coaches or players. Coach yourself up and execute.

 

[Hawkfnntn]

Yeah it'd be nice if one of the assistants jobs was to do just that on both sides of the ball... I'm sure they do to some extent but clearly they don't do a ton with whatever information they gather from it. Being predictable is just a huge huge detriment and should be preventable...

 

[ChosenChildren]

Iowa didn't lose the Wisconsin game because of its offense. We gained over 400 yards against a very good defense.

In my opinion, we lost that game because of two primary reasons:

1. 2 critical turnovers, including one on our own ten yard line on an absolutely bonehead play
2. Really conservative play calling on the last Wisconsin drive (where are the blitzes???)

 

[DDThompson]

The punt return fumbl

The fair catch...Guessing he didn't know where he was but no way he didn't know he was inside the 12.

It's just bad coaching.

he caught one at the 12 and then one on the 3.

coached to put their heels on the ten yd line and catch anything in front of them.

So if a player does what he’s coached to do that should be good coaching just like you say that if a player doesn’t do what he’s coached to do then that’s bad coaching.

And you said you can’t believe the player didn’t know he was within twelve yards of the goal line.


You need to execute your logic better. Your giving yourself some Bad coaching.

 

[Hawkfnntn]

[QUOTE="ChosenChildren, post: 1749548, member: 69241"]Iowa didn't lose the Wisconsin game because of its offense. We gained over 400 yards against a very good defense.

In my opinion, we lost that game because of two primary reasons:

1. 2 critical turnovers, including one on our own ten yard line on an absolutely bonehead play
2. Really conservative play calling on the last Wisconsin drive (where are the blitzes???)[/QUOTE]
I don't think it'd be completely fair to say the offense was blameless. Iowa had 3 possessions in the 4th q with a 3 point lead and didn't do anything with them... If we burn more clock then we did and score even just one of those times the ending would have been totally different. I agree with your other reasons as well. But to me it was the ultimate team loss....

 

[CP87]

he caught one at the 12 and then one on the 3.

coached to put their heels on the ten yd line and catch anything in front of them.

So if a player does what he’s coached to do that should be good coaching just like you say that if a player doesn’t do what he’s coached to do then that’s bad coaching.

And you said you can’t believe the player didn’t know he was within twelve yards of the goal line.


You need to execute your logic better. Your giving yourself some Bad coaching.

I disagree with the "never catch inside the 10" notion, and I think many other teams think the same way. It is one thing if that ball is sailing in with no-one around to cover with about a 95% chance it gets to the endzone. But if you have a hanger and 3 coverage guys right around you ready to kill that thing, I would fair catch it at the 7 vs. the risk of it rolling to the 1. Once the ball gets inside the 5, the odds of it bouncing into the EZ are high enough that I don't think you should ever do it.

You know what I haven't seen an Iowa returner do much? The fake fair catch where you run 20 yards lateral to where the ball is actually coming down. That would be a nice wrinkle to throw in.

I would also love to see this (probably my favorite trick play design):

 

[Hawkfnntn]

I disagree with the "never catch inside the 10" notion, and I think many other teams think the same way. It is one thing if that ball is sailing in with no-one around to cover with about a 95% chance it gets to the endzone. But if you have a hanger and 3 coverage guys right around you ready to kill that thing, I would fair catch it at the 7 vs. the risk of it rolling to the 1. Once the ball gets inside the 5, the odds of it bouncing into the EZ are high enough that I don't think you should ever do it.

You know what I haven't seen an Iowa returner do much? The fake fair catch where you run 20 yards lateral to where the ball is actually coming down. That would be a nice wrinkle to throw in.

I would also love to see this (probably my favorite trick play design):

Yeah there's a never say never side to it I see. If you have a clean shot at returning it some then sure go for it. But if it's a hanger I pretty much subscribe to having your returner put his heals at the 8 and only come forward to field it. Any step back from there let it go and let the luck of the bounce be what it is.

 

[Caddy]

This is exactly right and why Kirk doesn't get bent out of shape when Iowa gets dropped for a 5 yard loss on 3rd and 1 because the D knew the play pre-snap or when they give up a TD because a the opposing OC has designed a play to make sure an Iowa LB is covering a WR. He believes in execution over scheme. Always has always will.

KF is trying to play the game like he is playing with Alabama talent, and all you have to do is out execute the other team. When in fact, we have MAC level talent at a lot of positions, so we do need to out scheme the other team to win. KF and BF are not capable of doing this.

 

[CP87]

You dont say. Most of the hawk fans in the stands and watching on tv can call the plays pretty well by down and distance and formation.

No, they can't. The two yahoos behind me were "calling the plays" all night long. They were too stupid to know anything other than "run" or "pass", but they still were probably right less than 25% of the time. They talked over and over about how stupid and predictable our coaches were, and them getting the pass/run call right 1 out of every 4 completely confirmed this notion, allowing them to completely ignore the 3 they got wrong.

Most fans don't recognize one personnel group from another or one formation from another, let alone the difference between IZ, OZ, pin-and-pull stretch, split zone, power, iso, etc.. This idea that the other team always knows what is coming is overblown. If Wisconsin knew, they sure didn't show it in allowing over 400 yards of offense. Now Iowa's situational play-calling was lousy, but that is a different issue than being predictable all night long.