Iowa JUCOs under KF

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Iowa has on occasion dipped into JUCO ranks to fill some gaps. Definitely not common practice for KF but he has certainly gotten some winners.

2000 DL Derrick Pickens
2001 WR CJ Jones
2001 QB Brad Banks
2002 QB Nathan Chandler
2004 CB Walner Belleus
2005 OL Marshal Yanda
2006 LB Bryon Gattas
2008 RB Nathan Guillory
2010 OT Dan Heiar
2011 C Eric Simmons
2011 QB Cody Sokol
2013 WR Damon Powell
I'm sure I missed some, but this is what I came up with.


From list above, Pickens, Jones, Banks, Chandler, Yanda were all home runs . Belleus was a key contributor in 2004 before leaving school and starring at UDub playing all over the field. Gattas contributed for 2 yrs, though not a major factor.

Guillory and Heiar never saw the field, and Guillory barely saw campus before transferring. Heiar had a drinking prob.

The book is out on Simmons and Sokol as both redshirted this, their 1st yr on campus. Powell will have a chance to contribute next season with them.

The biggest gripe in regards to JUCO recruiting is we don't seem to fill obvious areas of need nor do it often enough (for example due to high attrition on DL, we needed some upper classmen to come in and contribute). Powell fills an area of immediate need: speed and play making ability on offense.

Fans site teams like KSU and Boise St that rely heavily on JUCOs as to reasons why Iowa should, however admission standards are much different than at Iowa. Iowa seems to be very selective and not very successful in landing JUCO targets.

Beckman at IL has 5 JUCO commits so far after Zook took 8 in 7 yrs as HC. From recent article:

The biggest barrier for Illinois in landing junior college players — the 2012 roster had none and in Ron Zook's seven seasons, the program had eight total — is having them qualify academically.
"You narrow your pool down quite a bit as far as junior college guys because of the academic standards," Golesh said. "The biggest challenge is getting them into school because we know once they get here, they'll be just fine because of the academic support we have. It's the actual (process) of getting them into school."


Also, Iowa is a self-described 'developmental program' and taking JUCOs certainly narrows the window for development.
 
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HawkinGoferLand said:
IAlso, Iowa is a self-described 'developmental program' and taking JUCOs certainly narrows the window for development.
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If you want to win at Iowa they better start filling and plugging some holes especially on offense.

KF could have 30 more wins at Iowa if he was adamant on having a very good offense.

Try to get 2 or 3 jucos a year at key spots.
 
I forgot to add, why would you want great defense and special teams but not want great offense, doesnt make sense to have just a mediocre offense all the time.
 
saying that KF has to recruit JUCO'S and landing them are 2 different things
Simmons is considered a center.
rather than spouting off about needing. why don't you come up with away to get them to come to Iowa as well as making sure they can get in Academically
they offered a JUCO DT lasy yeazr and he went to ASU.
they were recruiting a DE this year who committed to Neb, they are/were recruiting 4* WR Smith but he commited to Mississippi ST
again spouting off about KF not recruiting JUCO'S is totally false
just 10 months ago his staff brought in 6 JUCO'S all at positions of need. 3 from a JUCO many of you claims he needs to recruit from in IWCC
 
redhawk55 said:
saying that KF has to recruit JUCO'S and landing them are 2 different things
Simmons is considered a center.
rather than spouting off about needing. why don't you come up with away to get them to come to Iowa as well as making sure they can get in Academically
they offered a JUCO DT lasy yeazr and he went to ASU.
they were recruiting a DE this year who committed to Neb, they are/were recruiting 4* WR Smith but he commited to Mississippi ST
again spouting off about KF not recruiting JUCO'S is totally false
just 10 months ago his staff brought in 6 JUCO'S all at positions of need. 3 from a JUCO many of you claims he needs to recruit from in IWCC
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I agree with most of this but who are the 6 JUCOs he brought in? I just don't recall this.

The thing about JUCOs is that they still need to be good. I agree KF should spend a little more time thinking about getting a few JUCOs but I don't think he needs to get 4 a year or anything like that.
 
HawkinGoferLand said:
Iowa has on occasion dipped into JUCO ranks to fill some gaps. Definitely not common practice for KF but he has certainly gotten some winners.

2001 WR CJ Jones
2001 QB Brad Banks
2002 QB Nathan Chandler
2004 CB Walner Belleus
2005 OL Marshal Yanda
2006 LB Bryon Gattas
2008 RB Nathan Guillory
2010 OT Dan Heiar
2011 C Eric Simmons
2011 QB Cody Sokol
2013 WR Damon Powell
I'm sure I missed some, but this is what I came up with.


From list above, Jones, Banks, Chandler, Yanda were all home runs . Belleus was a key contributor in 2004 before leaving school and starring at UDub playing all over the field. Gattas contributed for 2 yrs, though not a major factor.

Guillory and Heiar never saw the field, and Guillory barely saw campus before transferring. Heiar had a drinking prob.

The book is out on Simmons and Sokol as both redshirted this, their 1st yr on campus. Powell will have a chance to contribute next season with them.

The biggest gripe in regards to JUCO recruiting is we don't seem to fill obvious areas of need nor do it often enough (for example due to high attrition on DL, we needed some upper classmen to come in and contribute). Powell fills an area of immediate need: speed and play making ability on offense.

Fans site teams like KSU and Boise St that rely heavily on JUCOs as to reasons why Iowa should, however admission standards are much different than at Iowa. Iowa seems to be very selective and not very successful in landing JUCO targets.

Beckman at IL has 5 JUCO commits so far after Zook took 8 in 7 yrs as HC. From recent article:

The biggest barrier for Illinois in landing junior college players — the 2012 roster had none and in Ron Zook's seven seasons, the program had eight total — is having them qualify academically.
"You narrow your pool down quite a bit as far as junior college guys because of the academic standards," Golesh said. "The biggest challenge is getting them into school because we know once they get here, they'll be just fine because of the academic support we have. It's the actual (process) of getting them into school."


Also, Iowa is a self-described 'developmental program' and taking JUCOs certainly narrows the window for development.
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uihawk82 said:
If you want to win at Iowa they better start filling and plugging some holes especially on offense.

KF could have 30 more wins at Iowa if he was adamant on having a very good offense.

Try to get 2 or 3 jucos a year at key spots.
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^^^ Mind already made up, didn't bother reading the post above his ^^^

Solid post HGL, but your use of actual facts may cause confusion & anger around here.
 
redhawk55 said:
saying that KF has to recruit JUCO'S and landing them are 2 different things
Simmons is considered a center.
rather than spouting off about needing. why don't you come up with away to get them to come to Iowa as well as making sure they can get in Academically
they offered a JUCO DT lasy yeazr and he went to ASU.
they were recruiting a DE this year who committed to Neb, they are/were recruiting 4* WR Smith but he commited to Mississippi ST
again spouting off about KF not recruiting JUCO'S is totally false
just 10 months ago his staff brought in 6 JUCO'S all at positions of need. 3 from a JUCO many of you claims he needs to recruit from in IWCC
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are you responding to uihawk82 or me? I was not "spouting off" but rather providing the list of JUCOs we have successfully signed and brief comment on how they turned out, then mentioned the challenge in getting them admitted to UI. It was an informational post, nothing else
 
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QB Sokol out of Arizona
RB Dawson out of IWCC
OL Simmons out of IWCC
DE/DT Rathjen out of ICCC
DB Skradis out of IWCC
DB Smith out of ICCC
some complain without knowing what they are complaining about
as for the offense, next year Iowa will be back to full strength and be better than they have been in years, the OL will have as follows the following who have starters experience
RSJR Scherff 6'5 310 LBS 3*
RSSR VanSloten 6'7 292 lbs 3*
RSSR Boffeli 6'5 290 lbs 3*
RSJR Donnal 6'7 302 lbs 4*
RSSO Blythe 6'3 275 lbs 4*
with the following also getting the 1st time starting experience
RSSO Walsh 6'4 270 lbs 4*
SR MacMillan 6'6 290 lbs 3*
with RSSR Clark 6'4 288 3* getting his 1st bit of playing time
coming off RS's will be
Ward 6'5 275 lbs 4* Army AA
Keppy 6'5 290 lbs 3*
RSSO Simmons 6'3 295 lbs 3* JUCO transfer
not a walkon or 2* in the bunch

then we get into the RB's
SO Garmon 4.4 40 6'1 200 lbs 4*
JR Bullock 4.5 40 6'0 195 lbs 2*
RSSO Canzeri 4.5 40 5'9 180 lbs 2*
RSJR Dawson 4.5 40 6'2 220 lbs 3* JUCO transfer 5th best in his class behind Derby, Morris, Hoch and Scherff, Hoch ended up at Missouri
RSFR Hill4.5 40 6'0 210 lbs 3* Parade Magazine AA
RSFR Malloy 4.4 40 6'0 180 lbs 3*
JR Weisman 4.6 40 6'0 225 2* transfer from AF
we might just see Bullock move back to Slot Receiver as that is where he was working out at in Spring drills.
as for the Fullback
RSSR Rodgers 5'10 230 3*
RSSR Reisen 6'2 231 2*
will be needed to be replaced
next are the WR's
SR Cotton 4.5 40 6'1 3*
SR Schumpert 4'6 40 6'3 3*
RSJR KMM 4.6 40 6'0 2* led team in reception and yards this year
RSSO Hillyer 4.5 40 6'4 3*
SO Smith 4.4 40 6'2 3*
coming off a RS
Mabin 4.4 40 6'2 3*
Wilson 4.4 40 6'1 3*
the TE'S are a solid group
SR CJF 6'7 265 lbs 4*
JR Hamilton 6'5 248 lbs 4*
RSSO Duzey 6'4 235 lbs 3*
RSSO Kreiger-Coble 6'4 235 lbs 3*
not a bad group of players for the QB to work with
the QB may be inexperienced but the players around him are not. the speed at the skill positions are improving
 
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redhawk55 said:
QB Sokol out of Arizona
RB Dawson out of IWCC
OL Simmons out of IWCC
DE/DT Rathjen out of ICCC
DB Skradis out of IWCC
DB Smith out of ICCC
some complain without knowing what they are complaining about
as for the offense, next year Iowa will be back to full strength and be better than they have been in years, the OL will have as follows the following who have starters experience
RSJR Scherff 6'5 310 LBS 3*
RSSR VanSloten 6'7 292 lbs 3*
RSSR Boffeli 6'5 290 lbs 3*
RSJR Donnal 6'7 302 lbs 4*
RSSO Blythe 6'3 275 lbs 4*
with the following also getting the 1st time starting experience
RSSO Walsh 6'4 270 lbs 4*
SR MacMillan 6'6 290 lbs 3*
with RSSR Clark 6'4 288 3* getting his 1st bit of playing time
coming off RS's will be
Ward 6'5 275 lbs 4* Army AA
Keppy 6'5 290 lbs 3*
RSSO Simmons 6'3 295 lbs 3* JUCO transfer
not a walkon or 2* in the bunch

then we get into the RB's
SO Garmon 6'1 200 lbs 4*
JR Bullock 6'0 195 lbs 3*
RSSO Canzeri 5'9 180 lbs 3*
RSJR Dawson 6'2 220 lbs 3* JUCO transfer
RSFR Hill 6'0 210 lbs 3* Parade Magazine AA
RSFR Malloy 6'0 lbs 3*
JR Weisman 6'0 225 2* transfer from AF
we might just see Bullock move back to Slot Receiver as that is where he wazs working out at in Spring drills.
as for the Fullback
RSSR Rodgers 5'10 230 3*
RSSR Reisen 6'2 231 2*
will be needed to be replaced
next are the WR's
SR Cotton 4.5 40 6'1 3*
SR Schumpert 4'6 40 6'3 3*
RSJR KMM 4.6 40 6'0 2* led team in reception and yards this year
RSSO Hillyer 4.5 40 6'4 3*
SO Smith 4.4 40 6'2 3*
coming off a RS
Mabin 4.4 40 6'2 3*
Wilson 4.4 40 6'1 3*
the TE'S are a solid group
SR CJF 6'7 265 lbs 4*
JR Hamilton 6'5 248 lbs 4*
RSSO Duzey 6'4 235 lbs 3*
RSSO Kreiger-Coble 6'4 235 lbs 3*
not a bad group of players for the QB to work with
the QB may be inexperienced but the players around him are not
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I'm sorry, but what is the point of this post, I couldn't follow it?
Also 3 of the JUCOs you list are walkons (4 if you include Dawson), so how is that really valuable recruiting. Those guys won't see the field.
 
HawkinGoferLand said:
are you responding to uihawk82 or me? I was not "spouting off" but rather providing the list of JUCOs we have successfully signed and brief comment on how they turned out, then mentioned the challenge in getting them admitted to UI. It was an informational post, nothing else
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no way was I talking to you, the ones I am talking about know who they are, they are the same ones who hate anything positive about what is going on
 
redhawk55 said:
QB Sokol out of Arizona
RB Dawson out of IWCC
OL Simmons out of IWCC
DE/DT Rathjen out of ICCC
DB Skradis out of IWCC
DB Smith out of ICCC
some complain without knowing what they are complaining about
as for the offense, next year Iowa will be back to full strength and be better than they have been in years, the OL will have as follows the following who have starters experience
RSJR Scherff 6'5 310 LBS 3*
RSSR VanSloten 6'7 292 lbs 3*
RSSR Boffeli 6'5 290 lbs 3*
RSJR Donnal 6'7 302 lbs 4*
RSSO Blythe 6'3 275 lbs 4*
with the following also getting the 1st time starting experience
RSSO Walsh 6'4 270 lbs 4*
SR MacMillan 6'6 290 lbs 3*
with RSSR Clark 6'4 288 3* getting his 1st bit of playing time
coming off RS's will be
Ward 6'5 275 lbs 4* Army AA
Keppy 6'5 290 lbs 3*
RSSO Simmons 6'3 295 lbs 3* JUCO transfer
not a walkon or 2* in the bunch

then we get into the RB's
SO Garmon 4.4 40 6'1 200 lbs 4*
JR Bullock 4.5 40 6'0 195 lbs 2*
RSSO Canzeri 4.5 40 5'9 180 lbs 2*
RSJR Dawson 4.5 40 6'2 220 lbs 3* JUCO transfer 5th best in his class behind Derby, Morris, Hoch and Scherff, Hoch ended up at Missouri
RSFR Hill4.5 40 6'0 210 lbs 3* Parade Magazine AA
RSFR Malloy 4.4 40 6'0 180 lbs 3*
JR Weisman 4.6 40 6'0 225 2* transfer from AF
we might just see Bullock move back to Slot Receiver as that is where he was working out at in Spring drills.
as for the Fullback
RSSR Rodgers 5'10 230 3*
RSSR Reisen 6'2 231 2*
will be needed to be replaced
next are the WR's
SR Cotton 4.5 40 6'1 3*
SR Schumpert 4'6 40 6'3 3*
RSJR KMM 4.6 40 6'0 2* led team in reception and yards this year
RSSO Hillyer 4.5 40 6'4 3*
SO Smith 4.4 40 6'2 3*
coming off a RS
Mabin 4.4 40 6'2 3*
Wilson 4.4 40 6'1 3*
the TE'S are a solid group
SR CJF 6'7 265 lbs 4*
JR Hamilton 6'5 248 lbs 4*
RSSO Duzey 6'4 235 lbs 3*
RSSO Kreiger-Coble 6'4 235 lbs 3*
not a bad group of players for the QB to work with
the QB may be inexperienced but the players around him are not. the speed at the skill positions are improving
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You ever heard of hooked on phonics?
 
hawkfarmer said:
I'm sorry, but what is the point of this post, I couldn't follow it?
Also 3 of the JUCOs you list are walkons (4 if you include Dawson), so how is that really valuable recruiting. Those guys won't see the field.
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the post was easy to follow try reading it. and who told you none of these players will not play
as for Dawson you clearly don't know anything about what you are talkong about..
he is on another Scholarship and if he had played he would have forfitted the Scholly he was on and would have had to pasy his own way. not to mention Dawson was a 3* out of HS. no way does he just walkon
Simmons is a 3* as well and could be the starter at center next fall, another area of need
and DE/DT Rathjen and Smith are the only 2 that are listed as walkons
and last I read on this very board DE/DT was a big area of need
someone needs to keep his posts to himself as they know nothing of which they speak
 
redhawk55 said:
its also like I keep saying people just hate anything positive about this team
and tear the posts down
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Plus you have to remember just because a few JUCO's workout in the past doesn't mean any of them are going to work out for this team next season. Which right now is the most important. Who cares what happened in the past with JUCO's these are different players on different teams with different skill sets. Anything could happen, they could go off 1K yards, 10 tds or they could get hurt, lost in the depth chart or not even make it on campus or even flunk out.
 
Ihave no expectations for them other than thedy come in and give it 100%, you can't ask for more than that, now can you?
 
redhawk55 said:
Ihave no expectations for them other than thedy come in and give it 100%, you can't ask for more than that, now can you?
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Well nobody should but you know how fans are, alot of them seem to put huge expectations on these guys and unfortunately they are usually disappointed.

Lets hope that Simmons, Sokol and now this Powell kid come in and make this team better even if they don't play. Competition is one of the major keys in a teams success.
 
redhawk55 said:
saying that KF has to recruit JUCO'S and landing them are 2 different things
Simmons is considered a center.
rather than spouting off about needing. why don't you come up with away to get them to come to Iowa as well as making sure they can get in Academically
they offered a JUCO DT lasy yeazr and he went to ASU.
they were recruiting a DE this year who committed to Neb, they are/were recruiting 4* WR Smith but he commited to Mississippi ST
again spouting off about KF not recruiting JUCO'S is totally false
just 10 months ago his staff brought in 6 JUCO'S all at positions of need. 3 from a JUCO many of you claims he needs to recruit from in IWCC
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What kind of crap are you talking about.

Have you not watched the hawk offense compared to the hawk defense over the last 14 seasons. There is no comparison between their statistical output and rankings.

The defense was supposed to be the weak link this year and they still outperformed the offense.

And how the hell can I actually help get kids into school. And how can I help them academically or do the recruiting. I dont understand what you are talking about. It is up to the coaches to find really good football players who can make it in school.

A 2 year Juco who has built up a good GPA can get into Iowa .

IF you want 3 jucos you better be recruiting and offering about 12 of them so you get your 3 to fill holes.

The coaches need to get some receivers who can motor, make moves and who can catch.
 
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