Improving Home Court Advantage

boneshq

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I think with a few changes, home court could be back for us.

1. give students decent seats, i know they are still low on attendance, but better seating would improve that as well as making them very affordable.

2. move the fat cat boosters where they belong. away from the court. tired of being at the games and seeing them sitting without any noise coming from them.

3. if they are threatening to drop their tickets, say the hell with them and give these seats to the real fans of basketball and want to make it a home court advantage

4. Lets turn on the lights in carver, kinda dark in there and people aren't into it, light it up like hilton.

thats just me
 
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make it an exciting place and I will buy full season tickets. :)

I will not pay their full prices to sit in a morgue.
 
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make it an exciting place and I will buy full season tickets. :)

I will not pay their full prices to sit in a morgue.

I think it goes the other way around...buy tickets to make it exciting!

How much do you think tickets should be sold for?
 
i understand that with the state of the economy it is tough on the fans purchasing tickets, but still hard on the university to meet a budget. but maybe they just need to lower their margins and try to sell more at a lower price, but then again maybe the university isn't the problem. i think i'll appreciate iowa basketball more cuz i stuck behind them when they are down and not a freerider
 
I think with a few changes, home court could be back for us.

1. give students decent seats, i know they are still low on attendance, but better seating would improve that as well as making them very affordable.

2. move the fat cat boosters where they belong. away from the court. tired of being at the games and seeing them sitting without any noise coming from them.

3. if they are threatening to drop their tickets, say the hell with them and give these seats to the real fans of basketball and want to make it a home court advantage

4. Lets turn on the lights in carver, kinda dark in there and people aren't into it, light it up like hilton.

thats just me

They could ya know...win some more games.
 
If I lived in Iowa City, I'd be a season ticketholder to both Football and basketball. Some of you who live close should realize how lucky you are and go to as many games as possible if you can afford it.
 
I think with a few changes, home court could be back for us.

1. give students decent seats, i know they are still low on attendance, but better seating would improve that as well as making them very affordable.

I'm a student and tickets are $5.00 a game when you buy season tickets, plus t-shirt, and last year they had some extra stuff towards the end of the season (like free pizza or something). I completely agree about every other point though. It's dark and students have terrible seats. Who wants to go watch a losing team behind a basket in a dark and dead arena?
 
winning is helpful, but if u watched the Penn State game, the team played amazing for a span of 7 minutes and played with amazing energy (cuz the the crowd was in it). then they sat down, and some of that energy went with it. if you have ever played sports or perform in front of a crowd, u feed off you crowd, when they sit down, pretty easy for an opposing team to stay composed and unthreatened. i'm sure there may be a correlation between places that have good crowd turn out and the places that don't.
 
I'm a student and tickets are $5.00 a game when you buy season tickets, plus t-shirt, and last year they had some extra stuff towards the end of the season (like free pizza or something). I completely agree about every other point though. It's dark and students have terrible seats. Who wants to go watch a losing team behind a basket in a dark and dead arena?

$5 a game to go watch the Hawks...i just do not get how people can pass that up. What are you scared of the dark??? Get 20 of your friends to go and get be one of the fans to bring Carver back. How about that?
 
$5 a game to go watch the Hawks...i just do not get how people can pass that up. What are you scared of the dark??? Get 20 of your friends to go and get be one of the fans to bring Carver back. How about that?

Sad news... I already am. A couple of friends and I went out to get people to buy tickets before the season. You'd be shocked how many students buy tickets and don't want to go to study or watch a tv show. It's really sad.

Part of the problem is that we start off with cupcakes at home that nobody knows anything about. If we played poor Pac-10/Big East teams (Rutgers, South Florida, any team not UCLA) more students would enjoy it. When students watch Iowa struggle against teams we've never heard of at games nobody goes to, it's hard to convince them to come back later in B10 season.
 
maybe i'm different than most fans, but i don't go to Iowa games to watch the other team. but maybe im different cuz i jump at the chance to watch the hawks any chance i can get
 
maybe i'm different than most fans, but i don't go to Iowa games to watch the other team. but maybe im different cuz i jump at the chance to watch the hawks any chance i can get

The numbers don't lie. People do not share your enthusiasm. I think there are so many factors that affect attendance it's probably not even worth talking about.
 
The numbers don't lie. People do not share your enthusiasm. I think there are so many factors that affect attendance it's probably not even worth talking about.

Exactly I grew up going to Iowa basketball camps and idolizing Iowa basketball so I am loyal but I am rare. The 1999 Sweet Sixteen team was when the current Freshman class was in 2nd grade. Nobody knows Jess Settles, Ryan Bowen or anybody before that and some know who Dean Oliver is. Everyone knows the struggle we've had since then.

Since the freshman class was in 5th grade Iowa football has had 8 bowl appearances and 4 top-10 finishes. All current students just know Iowa Football. It's a harsh reality but I guarantee you could not fill up the student section if the tickets were free.
 
Part of the problem is that we start off with cupcakes at home that nobody knows anything about. If we played poor Pac-10/Big East teams (Rutgers, South Florida, any team not UCLA) more students would enjoy it. When students watch Iowa struggle against teams we've never heard of at games nobody goes to, it's hard to convince them to come back later in B10 season.

We've always had cupcakes on the schedule, and attendance was 10000+ more than it is today. The fact that we've had teams that play at the level where they struggle to beat some of these teams, is the main part of the problem. Besides, less than 6000k actually showed up to watch us against Michigan St, so clearly having a good opponent isn't going to fill Carver. Lack of success on the court, plain and simple. That's the problem.

Regarding turning on the lights at Carver to make it brighter, I've always thought Carver was one of the brighter arenas in the conference. The floor being painted black instead of yellow helps give the illusion of "darkness" IMO, but I've been to Carver and the lighting seems fine to me.

Bottom line: We need to start winning to generate some fan excitement. In the meantime, I've got to believe that some ticket price adjustment would help. Didn't they reduce ticket prices for the last month or two of the season last year, with some positive results?
 
We've always had cupcakes on the schedule, and attendance was 10000+ more than it is today. The fact that we've had teams that play at the level where they struggle to beat some of these teams, is the main part of the problem. Besides, less than 6000k actually showed up to watch us against Michigan St, so clearly having a good opponent isn't going to fill Carver. Lack of success on the court, plain and simple. That's the problem.

Regarding turning on the lights at Carver to make it brighter, I've always thought Carver was one of the brighter arenas in the conference. The floor being painted black instead of yellow helps give the illusion of "darkness" IMO, but I've been to Carver and the lighting seems fine to me.

Bottom line: We need to start winning to generate some fan excitement. In the meantime, I've got to believe that some ticket price adjustment would help. Didn't they reduce ticket prices for the last month or two of the season last year, with some positive results?

Yeah I agree winning solves it I actually said "struggle against teams we've never heard of at games nobody goes to, it's hard to convince them to come back later in B10 season" which kind of answers the Michigan State point. I also believe Michigan State was free for students to get into (not 100% sure tho) and I know the Virginia Tech game was free.

I'm not sure if they lowered the prices at the end or not. They were never more than $5-$10 tho. Each year students get into 2 games free so you may have also heard about that.
 
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make it an exciting place and I will buy full season tickets. :)

I will not pay their full prices to sit in a morgue.

Hawkeye-Carver Arena simply fails to offer the same home court advantage that other Big Ten arenas offer because it isn't as loud or as intimidating as other arenas. Yes, Carver-Hawkeye Arena is loud when it is packed and something exciting is going on on the court. But, it isn't very loud when the Arena is less than full, and/or the Hawks are not competitive on the court. The lack of volume wasn't particularly noticeable when Carver-Hawkeye was younger because the arena was always full and the team always competitive. But, even then there were times when you could hear a pin drop during breaks in the action.

Roy Carver, who donated the lion's share of the money for the building, was more of a wrestling fan than a basketball fan. Because of this, Hawkeye-Carver was actually built more to accommodate wrestling, than basketball. Specifically, the base of the bowl is far bigger than it would need to be for basketball, because it was built so that it could hold enough wrestling mats to host an NCAA wrestling tournament.

The consequence of the base of the bowl being so much bigger than it needs to be is that the permanent seats (i.e., the fans) are much further away from the court than at most other arenas. Yes, we deal with this by putting several rows of glorified folding chairs between the permanent seating and the court, but folding chairs (unlike permanent seats that are affixed, of course, into some sort of material that doesn't let the noise escape--like concrete) don't hold in the noise. With the permanent seats so far from the court, far more noise escapes than at other arenas. I haven't been to every Big Ten arena, but I can't think of another arena where the permanent seating (affixed, of course, into some material--typically concrete-- that noise bounces off of) begins so far away from the court.

Then, in most every arena that I can think of, the sound is kept in the building by the ceiling, thus increasing the decibel level. At Carver, nothing keeps the noise from going over the top of the seating into the concourse that circles the top of the arena. Finally, (unless they have recently changed this), there is not even a hard surface ceiling over center court. There is some sort of material that lets sound escape--I am not sure if this is to improve the acoustics or the ventilation. In any event, it does seem to help the acoustics, as often time in Carver you can literally hear a pin drop.

Carver is a great place to watch an NCAA Wrestling Championship, or even a concert (the acoustics are great), but the building does not offer nearly as much of a home court advantage in basketball as it should. I remember going to games at the Fieldhouse and it was so loud my ears would literally ring for 30 minutes after the game. I have never experienced that at Carver.

If I were in charge of updating Carver, this is what I would do. First, it is my understanding that there is some reason that it isn't likely that Carver would ever hold an NCAA championship again. So, I would remove the existing cement at the bottom of the bowl and lower the bowl by several feet. This is exactly what Ohio State did at "The Horseshoe" maybe ten years ago, when they removed the athletic track that went around the football field and wanted to bring the first rows of seating much, much closer to the field.

Lowering the bowl would allow several rows of new permanent seating that would angle down to just a few feet from courtside. Of couse, this would also add one to two thousand new seats (that we don't really need right now.) So, I would remove the top three or four rows of the seating and build a row of sky boxes around the top of the bowl. The sky boxes could be leased to raise money to pay for some or all of the project. Furthermore, the sky boxes would have the added benefit of retaining sound in the bowl by not letting the home crowd noise escape into the concourse.

If my project was undertaken and completed it would greatly increase the sound levels inside the arena, and greatly improve our home court advantage.

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While we are on the subject, our athletics administration has made the noise, or lack thereof, even worse by moving the students away from the side of the court to the "end zone." Financially, this move made some sense when we had more people wanting (and willing to pay top dollar for) tickets than we had good seats to offer. Of course, by moving students away from the action, the athletics administration diminished the excitement in the arena by a notch or two, which had the ironic effect of reducing the demand for the seats that the students were moved out of.

Anyway, today, when we have far more seats in the arena than bodies to fill them, there is no excuse for not moving students back to the side of the court where they can do their part in helping to ramp up the excitement level at home games.
 
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