I wonder how UM fans feel about Brady--

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oregonhawkeye

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So he was honorable mention all B10 the two years he started at M and they won two bowl games and one B10 title. Not bad, not amazing by any B10 or UM standards. Now he's one of the ten greatest NFL QBs of all time. UM fans gotta wonder- where was this guy when we were tying to beat Ohio St. If he has 3 rings, how come he got us none?

If Stanzi goes on to any sort of crazy NFL career, I'll be a watching with a WTF look on my face for the duration. Where was this guy when I was watching? He won a lot of games when his stats were bad and not so many the year his stats were good. No B10 champs. No runs at the Heisman...

I'm rooting for Rick. I just don't know how I'll handle his success.
 
oregonhawkeye said:
So he was honorable mention all B10 the two years he started at M and they won two bowl games and one B10 title. Not bad, not amazing by any B10 or UM standards. Now he's one of the ten greatest NFL QBs of all time. UM fans gotta wonder- where was this guy when we were tying to beat Ohio St. If he has 3 rings, how come he got us none?

If Stanzi goes on to any sort of crazy NFL career, I'll be a watching with a WTF look on my face for the duration. Where was this guy when I was watching? He won a lot of games when his stats were bad and not so many the year his stats were good. No B10 champs. No runs at the Heisman...

I'm rooting for Rick. I just don't know how I'll handle his success.
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You have to remember. Coaches & GMs in the NFL are there for a reason. They're the best at what they do. We only saw a tip of what Stanzi is capable of because quite honestly, Iowa's offensive coaches are not top of the line. Their numbers prove that.

Stanzi is smart, a solid athlete, good leader, & and can make the throws. If he goes to the right organization with the right coaches in place he will have an opportunity to develop. Possibly into a good QB some day.

Had Brady gone to Oakland, Cincy, Minnesota, Detroit, etc, basically organizations that are poorly run from the top which trickles down, he might be a backup some place.

Brady landed with a great coach and a great offensive staff. If Stanzi lands in GB, Philly, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Atlanta, NY, or NO he has a great shot. Those are solid organizations with owners committed to winning and GMs who know put good teams together.

If he lands in the cities I mentioned above who fire coaches & GMs all the time, he is in serious trouble.

I hope he does great.
 
Stanzi was 26-9 as a starter at Iowa.

Here were the losses:

2008

13-16 MSU
24-27 ILL
17-22 NU

2009

10-17 NU

2010

27-34 AZ
30-31 Wisc
17-21 NU
17-20 OSU
17-24 MN

He won 75% of his starts at Iowa and had us in a position to win every game he started, based on the above close losses. A quarterback cannot do it all on his own. If Iowa's defense plays in 2010 the way it played in 2009, we go 13-0, IMO.

Stanzi will go down as one of the top QBs ever to play at Iowa, and his W-L record and other stats back that up.

I'm not sure what else you could have asked of this kid.
 
I think what bugs me and will stick in our collective craw (if/when he becomes an NFL savant) is that he did not carry us in any single game. He was usually not bad (sometimes he was) , he was a great Iowa athlete and character, he won 3/4 of the games he started. But I don't recall any transcendent performances. Banks, Tate, Greene had them. Not sure I remember Stanzi being the sole/primary reason we won a given game. He was a consummate team QB.
An excellent Iowa QB, yes. A transcendent star performer? He never was. And if he does that in the NFL many of us will shake our heads.
 
oregonhawkeye said:
I think what bugs me and will stick in our collective craw (if/when he becomes an NFL savant) is that he did not carry us in any single game. He was usually not bad (sometimes he was) , he was a great Iowa athlete and character, he won 3/4 of the games he started. But I don't recall any transcendent performances. Banks, Tate, Greene had them. Not sure I remember Stanzi being the sole/primary reason we won a given game. He was a consummate team QB.
An excellent Iowa QB, yes. A transcendent star performer? He never was. And if he does that in the NFL many of us will shake our heads.
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drove down the field for a game winning FG v. PSU. many clutch throws.
 
imported_ankle23 said:
drove down the field for a game winning FG v. PSU. many clutch throws.
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MSU that year too.

I think all the comparison talk about Brady is interesting but there is another guy that Stanzi reminds me of. Not due to physical comparison or arm strength but more about competitive spirit and leadership.

John Elway.

Having the priviledge to watch John his entire career I can tell you those early years were brutal. He had no help, no running game, no offensive line no nothing. He carried that team to three superbowls and got his *** kicked in every single one. It wasn't until TD arrived, Dan Reeves left, Mike Shanahan coached and Elway had some talent around him that he won. Through it all, however, he was a leader and a winner.
 
Iowafarmgirl said:
Comparing Stanzi to Brady is not doing Rick any favors.
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I think most people have a good perspective on this. Very similar collegiate careers and if Stanzi had a NFL role model it would be Brady, so the comparison are natural. Most people are just using the comparison as a reference point they are not necessarily saying he is going to turn out to be a hof QB.
 
oregonhawkeye said:
I think what bugs me and will stick in our collective craw (if/when he becomes an NFL savant) is that he did not carry us in any single game. He was usually not bad (sometimes he was) , he was a great Iowa athlete and character, he won 3/4 of the games he started. But I don't recall any transcendent performances. Banks, Tate, Greene had them. Not sure I remember Stanzi being the sole/primary reason we won a given game. He was a consummate team QB.
An excellent Iowa QB, yes. A transcendent star performer? He never was. And if he does that in the NFL many of us will shake our heads.
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He fell into a really good spot when he won the starting job, on a team with a Doak Walker award-winning running back and a couple of the best defenses this school has ever seen. 2009 and 2010 are perfect examples of why a QB win-loss record is so overblown.
 
Iowafarmgirl said:
Comparing Stanzi to Brady is not doing Rick any favors.
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Certainly not now. But comparing Stanzi to Brady (as a college player), there's not a very big difference between them. That doesn't mean that Stanzi's career will turn out anything like Brady's has (Don't forget, had it not been for Bledsoe's injury, Brady wouldn't have gotten that first SB, and who knows how things unfold if that doesn't happen). But it's fun to talk about, anyway.
 
Stanzi was impressive because he played the 2009 season w/ two running backs who were young and wouldn't have probably started at too many other Big 10 schools at that point in their career. We won the Orange Bowl that year.

In 2010 Stanzi played most of the season w/ having one running back who probably wouldn't have started at too many other Big 10 schools.

Stanzi did have one of the best WR/TE corps during his career than any other QB that has played at Iowa though.
 
briankaldenberg said:
Stanzi was impressive because he played the 2009 season w/ two running backs who were young and wouldn't have probably started at too many other Big 10 schools at that point in their career. We won the Orange Bowl that year.

In 2010 Stanzi played most of the season w/ having one running back who probably wouldn't have started at too many other Big 10 schools.

Stanzi did have one of the best WR/TE corps during his career than any other QB that has played at Iowa though.
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And just think how much better it could have been in 2008 had Brodell not torn his hamstring the year before? He lost about 3 steps after that injury.
 
i don't understand how you can be bitter towards a former hawkeye player. he was the teams leader for 2 years and won us many games. sure, he didn't win a heisman or a national championship(how many people actually do?), but he was a hawkeye and gave his all for the program.

shame on you for even thinking about being disappointed IF he turns out to be a star. i now question your devotion to the hawkeyes, and your devotion to america
 
He has a good head on his shoulders, that goes a long way. An arm without a brain is useless, look at Cutler.
 
oregonhawkeye said:
I think what bugs me and will stick in our collective craw (if/when he becomes an NFL savant) is that he did not carry us in any single game. He was usually not bad (sometimes he was) , he was a great Iowa athlete and character, he won 3/4 of the games he started. But I don't recall any transcendent performances. Banks, Tate, Greene had them. Not sure I remember Stanzi being the sole/primary reason we won a given game. He was a consummate team QB.
An excellent Iowa QB, yes. A transcendent star performer? He never was. And if he does that in the NFL many of us will shake our heads.
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Were you in an acid induced coma for the Mich State game in 09? I remember him putting his team on his back that night. Jesus. Wake up.
 
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