I must be out of my mind, but why in the heck if Kirk Ferentz so untouchable?

dobhawk43

dobhawk43

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I must be out of my mind, but why in the heck is Kirk Ferentz so untouchable?

He absolutely has not produced results to have this kind of job security. This will make 3 bad seasons in a row. At any other major D-1 school, he would be fired after this season, but not at Iowa! All this tells me is that Gary Barta and the athletic department think that our football program is so horrible, that Kirk taking us to an average 7-5 record most seasons is an amazing feat. I will always love and support the Hawkeyes, but it's hard to be proud of this program any longer. What other profession and at what other university could you be this average and be a legend???? Only at Iowa! We are very close to becoming another Illinois or Indiana, just another meaningless Big Ten program.
 
Illinois has been to more Rose Bowls in the past decade than we have.

But anyway, sometimes people sign these things called contracts that say one party will do something and the other party will do something. Sometimes, one party will decide it wants to end the contract but in order to do so it will still have to do what it promised to the other party, and in this case, Iowa would have to pay Kurt ball park $20 million to fire him unless Kurt breaches the contract. And poor performance on the field does not constitute a breach of the contract by Kurt.
 
To whom are you comparing us? The all-time win% for the Iowa Hawkeyes is 53%. Under Hayden Fry it was 62%. Under Kirk Ferentz it's 59%.

Non-rhetorical question: What makes you believe Iowa has the potential to be better than those numbers?
 
okeefe4prez said:
Illinois has been to more Rose Bowls in the past decade than we have.

But anyway, sometimes people sign these things called contracts that say one party will do something and the other party will do something. Sometimes, one party will decide it wants to end the contract but in order to do so it will still have to do what it promised to the other party, and in this case, Iowa would have to pay Kurt ball park $20 million to fire him unless Kurt breaches the contract. And poor performance on the field does not constitute a breach of the contract by Kurt.
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Kurt who?
 
KnightHawk9 said:
To whom are you comparing us? The all-time win% for the Iowa Hawkeyes is 53%. Under Hayden Fry it was 62%. Under Kirk Ferentz it's 59%.

Non-rhetorical question: What makes you believe Iowa has the potential to be better than those numbers?
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+1 to the above. Also the contract issue is something I don't think would look good. I live up here in St. Paul and the Gophers are taking a large amount of heck for paying off North Carolina $800,000 to get out of their contract to play them. I can't imagine what would happen at Iowa with a $20million buyout.

The thing you have to look at as well is where the Hawks rate in a lot of other things. Look at the recent stats on gradation rate. Were we not third in the standings (which is great). Look at the fundraising and facility improvements that Ferentz has brought on in the last few years. Look at our annual attendance which stays strong and then if you look at the amount of NCAA infractions we have. Sure our guys have gotten into trouble but it happens all over the nation what you don't hear about is how our program is cheating which hurts the entire University.

I think Ferentz would be more touchable if he ever put himself and the program above the University. We run a strong program that may not be elite but we can touch those elite years on occasion. Not sure if Iowa can ever get to the Elite status year in and year out with Ferentz but I am also not sure if someone else could do it and keep everything else at a high level.
 
That's a strong point. I just don't think this would be allowed anywhere else. I am going to Bloomington this weekend and I'm afraid of what is going to happen. I just wish we held our program to a higher standard and expected more.
 
Winning barely half of our games should not be acceptable for any of us. Anything worse than a 8-4 season in my book is a failure of a year.
 
I blame Gary Barta for offering this absurd contract. My only hope is the Ferentz will do the right thing and just retire. He doesn't need anymore money. The game has passed him by.
 
KnightHawk9 said:
To whom are you comparing us? The all-time win% for the Iowa Hawkeyes is 53%. Under Hayden Fry it was 62%. Under Kirk Ferentz it's 59%.

Non-rhetorical question: What makes you believe Iowa has the potential to be better than those numbers?
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So we should stop trying to do better?! That's the attitude that bring perpetual mediocrity to the forefront. Go away troll
 
All the people who harken back to past years...you all need a reality check. Let me ask you this? If we have back to back 4-8 or 5-7 seasons when are you going to call a spade a spade and admit we arent' heading in the right direction?!
 
And 10 years ago Boise State was a real hot spot for NFL talent. Tons of hot, hot, ladies and weather at K-State.

ORANGE BOWL
FACILITIES
FANS
NIGHT LIFE
NFL PLAYERS PRODUCED
BIG TEN CONFERENCE

Should all lead to high caliber recruits, and therefore more wins, it hasn't. The trend has been going downwards, maybe the Orange Bowl season is the outlier and these mediocre at best seasons are the true potential under KF. It's not like recruits are choosing between Alabama and Iowa, they're often times choosing between equally boring B1G towns. They make their decisions based on optimism, expectations, and the coach understanding what a recruit wants.

He's untouchable because of his unnecessarily large contract.
 
Gary Barta is around Ferentz almost every day. He must think that what happens on the 360 or so days that the team isn't losing outweighs what happens on the field on the approximately days a year that Iowa loses.
 
thejumper5 said:
Gary Barta is around Ferentz almost every day. He must think that what happens on the 360 or so days that the team isn't losing outweighs what happens on the field on the approximately days a year that Iowa loses.
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It's not that at all. It's this:
$20,000,000
 
As toez said, you do have to factor in the whole package. Iowa student athlete graduation is 77%, which is 12 points higher then the national avg. The football program has a grad success rate of 82 and the national avg is 68.

That is impressive and should be something to be proud of. I am sure a lot of effort went into getting those numbers that high. Now that they are that high can we please use some of that focus and effort on having a winning program?
 
Pretty simple - Barta got excited (or afraid KF would leave for greener pastures) after one big season (2009) and extended KF's contract way the heck out there. Too much money would have to be handed out to even be able to consider firing KF right now.

0% chance KF is fired in the next 2-3 years IMO, because of this. Even then, as long as the stands are full, I question if Barta would make the move anyway.
 
KnightHawk9 said:
To whom are you comparing us? The all-time win% for the Iowa Hawkeyes is 53%. Under Hayden Fry it was 62%. Under Kirk Ferentz it's 59%.

Non-rhetorical question: What makes you believe Iowa has the potential to be better than those numbers?
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Here's one reason: Oregon's all-time winning percentage sits at 54.2%, not a much better than Iowa, and I presume that also includes the past several seasons of dominance they've achieved:

Oregon Ducks football - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So it's clearly possible for a program to rise up and outperform their history.

Ok, now queue the excuses for why Oregon can do it, but Iowa can't.

But I think your post just proves my point - Iowa was 62% under Fry, 59% under Ferentz. History doesn't matter - Iowa has been outperforming its history the past 30 years. Who is to say what the limit is? Is 60% the limit? Who knows.
 
Because we have an AD that doesn't mind mediocre teams. He knows people we still pack the stadium every game and pay for the most overpriced tickets in the Big 10.
 
dobhawk43 said:
Stop buying merchandise and tickets to games. That's the only way we will get a coach who wins.
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That will never happen at Iowa. Yeah, I know it did for basketball, but football is different, there are only 7 per year in Kinnick. If Iowa were 0-12, there would still be 60k people in the stands. If it gets bad enough, that contract will be bought out, Iowa can afford it.
 
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