Howe: Thoughts from Iowa's Dismal Day in East Lansing
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ArvadaHawk
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rob, i agree stanley didn't play well. i'll say this about him and it's the same thing i saw with CJ. Stanley plays better the dirtier his uniform is; that is to say, he needs to throw the ball to play well and get into his throwing rhythm. I'm surprised we threw 31 times, that's more than i thought. but part of what we could do is to start going 4 wr's and remove the defenses ability to bait and switch a young qb into a bad audible and play right into their hands. If we insist on being a run team, things won't change this season. we can't be afraid to use ISM, NE, Fant, TJH, MVB, NE, IKM, TY and B.Smith and Matt Q, in addition to AW. wouldn't sending players in motion also help a young qb to gauge what the defense is doing pre-snap?
DBAHawkFan
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Iowa is a developmental program which means during practices they focus on technique, and keeping the playbook very simple. Having the offense do too much means less time practice technique.
In 20 years under KF, maybe one or two seasons have we looked competent running a 2 min drill. 2002, and 2015
It's embarrassing to watch Iowa try to score at the end of the half/game. They clearly aren't coached on it
In 20 years under KF, maybe one or two seasons have we looked competent running a 2 min drill. 2002, and 2015
It's embarrassing to watch Iowa try to score at the end of the half/game. They clearly aren't coached on it
ArvadaHawk
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you can develop aggression as well as fundamentals. I believe it's possible for a program to walk and chew gum at the same time, even if you're a developmental program. What if you decided you needed to throw the ball more because other teams are just beating you with run defense and you start developing the fundamentals of the pass offense?
DBAHawkFan
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We all talk about the 2004 season as the team adapting, and that was only because we were down to our 5th string RB
KF doesn't change. I think it is clear that we don't focus on any one aspect of the offense besides stretch zone, because when teams take it away we literally look lost at how to move the ball.
KF doesn't change. I think it is clear that we don't focus on any one aspect of the offense besides stretch zone, because when teams take it away we literally look lost at how to move the ball.
NCHawker
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After a good nights' sleep I have some perspective. I've been looking for 1 thing to explain the lackluster performance.
Its not 1 thing.
Its a lot of things. A lot of things. This is a below average to average football offensive football team.
Some inexperienced players
Who don't execute very well
Some experienced players who don't execute very well
Some schematic gaffs
Inexperienced coaches who are slow to arrive at the right scheme, who are slow to diagnose whats wrong and who are not coaching position players to play well.
At some point the D just isn't going to hold up
Lots of blame to go around. Time to lower expectations. DVR the games, do something else. no need to put ourselves through the agony of watching this shit show. (2012, 2014).
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Its not 1 thing.
Its a lot of things. A lot of things. This is a below average to average football offensive football team.
Some inexperienced players
Who don't execute very well
Some experienced players who don't execute very well
Some schematic gaffs
Inexperienced coaches who are slow to arrive at the right scheme, who are slow to diagnose whats wrong and who are not coaching position players to play well.
At some point the D just isn't going to hold up
Lots of blame to go around. Time to lower expectations. DVR the games, do something else. no need to put ourselves through the agony of watching this shit show. (2012, 2014).
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HawkeyeWalker
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I'm a glutton for pain, so I'll still get amped for next week. If it isn't cleaner and a reasonable win against basically a freshman Illinois team and noticeably better after 2 weeks of practice on a bye week...I'll be in the DVR camp.
Yesterday was toughest game to watch offensively I can remember. As NC has stated, it's multi pronged issues. I can handle young players making mistakes while trying to make a play, I can even handle banging into stacked fronts(a little), but not with the wrong personnel and seemingly acting like we didn't know we would see it.
This was bad.
The defense is going to break badly at some point and it's going to get ugly...er.
Yesterday was toughest game to watch offensively I can remember. As NC has stated, it's multi pronged issues. I can handle young players making mistakes while trying to make a play, I can even handle banging into stacked fronts(a little), but not with the wrong personnel and seemingly acting like we didn't know we would see it.
This was bad.
The defense is going to break badly at some point and it's going to get ugly...er.
trj
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Agreed. The defense will break at some point probably like Penn St. in 2016.
hawkeyes87
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You mean "the Outlaw is going to break at some point". He's carrying them right now. If he ever has to miss any time...
HawkeyeWalker
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Agreed he has been spectacular. Really all of the LB have played great with Josey being lights out. 100 starts between them, tgey are asked to be everything on the defense...and they all leave this year...and we start over.
I will say the dbs have been pretty solid. Not having Manny proved to be the difference, OJ adjusted but not until it was too late and we were down 10.
hawkeyes87
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Things are definitely bleak when Rob finds so little to be positive about!
I have a question, though, for Rob or anybody:
"I do want to give the Spartans some credit. The played with more energy and urgency."
How many times over the last few years has this not been the case? We rarely see (at least on tv) much energy from the players. Last week we saw some and it was nice, but I can't remember the last time I noticed any prior to that.
I have a question, though, for Rob or anybody:
"I do want to give the Spartans some credit. The played with more energy and urgency."
How many times over the last few years has this not been the case? We rarely see (at least on tv) much energy from the players. Last week we saw some and it was nice, but I can't remember the last time I noticed any prior to that.
hawkinn3
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I don't find this true at all in this game. MSU played terribly in the 2nd half and gift wrapped us opportunities. Both teams looked bad after Quarter1 so this wasn't a situation where the opponent was fired up. It was a rock fight type game that we usually win but just got whipped.
ArvadaHawk
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i like what i see from stanley. but he's inexperienced and his mistakes can be attributed to that, in many respects. he definitely needs to work on deep ball accuracy, but i think he's making the right reads in the passing game, for the most part. part of the growing process. it's more personnel and play calling (again) than stanley, in my opinion.
ArvadaHawk
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we've lost 2 rock fights in a row. both conference rock fights.
I understand that we are not supposed to call players out, I don't blame them....it is the coaching. Beau Bower should be playing at Luther, not Iowa, slow, out of position, an embarrassment. Why do we have a walk-on punter, punting......when we have an athlete on scholarship, there is no way he is as bad as what we have? Stanley regressed, this forum thread seems to be blaming the receivers....right now it is the QB and play calling, give Stanley some more choices on audibles, sitting at home I could tell all that he was doing was switching the direction that the run was going. And finally BF, he is not ready, he has shown some promise, but this game was a huge step back. That is all, I feel better, but why the Iowa coaching staff can't see the obvious is beyond me.
HawkeyeWalker
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I agree with most. Bower has been better than fine though, he takes way too much heat here.
SheagleHawk
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At this point don't you think you'd either have that touch or you won't? Cause it certainly hasn't gotten any better in that respect from game 1 through game 5.
SheagleHawk
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Our scheme doesn't help, but Bower is limited athletically. I still don't understand how we haven't seen any of Mends out there, who is supposedly an athletic freak. I wish KF would lean more towards athleticism and take into account more a guys natural ability vs the safe guy who knows his duties but is limited in terms of ability and playmaking. Bower is the perfect example of the safe play by KF.
HawkGold
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Hawks are 5 games in. Stanley is no longer inexperienced. The guy actually has awareness.
Stanley isnt the issue.
Wadley isnt the issue.
Receivers are better. They arent the issue.
TE's are not the problem.
The O line may have some quickness issues.
Field position is a problem and is on both o and d.
First down play is a problem.
Blitzing is a problem for the O.
Defenses flying to the ball is a problem.
Ed and Dolph nailed it. Never have teams fly all out to the ball against Iowa this much.
The is one reason why teams would sell out to do this so much.
Stanley isnt the issue.
Wadley isnt the issue.
Receivers are better. They arent the issue.
TE's are not the problem.
The O line may have some quickness issues.
Field position is a problem and is on both o and d.
First down play is a problem.
Blitzing is a problem for the O.
Defenses flying to the ball is a problem.
Ed and Dolph nailed it. Never have teams fly all out to the ball against Iowa this much.
The is one reason why teams would sell out to do this so much.
