Howe: As the Hawkeye World Turns...
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MoseSchrute
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Agree about the mock drafts. Ridiculous. Of course, I don't give one **** about the NFL or anything connected to it.
Niemann is probably a good fit for Morgan's former territory, but does he have anywhere near the eye for overlooked talent?
Niemann is probably a good fit for Morgan's former territory, but does he have anywhere near the eye for overlooked talent?
RobHowe
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Odds are that he doesn't. I think Reese is special in that regard.
That doesn't mean he can't find talent, though.
Northside Hawk
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Didn't Iowa have three first round picks in 1986? Long (Detroit) Harmon (Bills) and Mike Haight (Jets)
Motigerhawk
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Loved the first line about googling. Classic.
Who would have thought Iowa baseball would be the best sport in the athletic department. Im not sure if that is good or bad. Probably both.
Who would have thought Iowa baseball would be the best sport in the athletic department. Im not sure if that is good or bad. Probably both.
okeefe4prez
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I only count 2 in that draft because one of those guys is DEAD TO ME.
Fryowa
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You think he really threw it?
ArvadaHawk
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sounds like a list of moss's potential landing spots include MN, Ill and ISU. this could be construed as a maybe something deeper going on with moss and iowa/fran if he did land at one of these three rival schools.
Northside Hawk
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We may never know for sure. But Ronnie didn't help himself by associating with snake oil agents Norby Walters and Lloyd Bloom during his Iowa career. Nor did he help himself by dropping a perfectly thrown wheel route on the goal line and throwing a halfback option pass into the trombone section.
As for the four fumbles, the first one, first and goal on the ten early in the game, was the killer. The other three were borderline and may have been overturned by modern replay. In those three cases I think UCLA detected in the films that Harmon didn't always secure the ball all the way to the ground and subsequently they ripped away.
I lived in Currier Hall that year. My neighbor across the hall was a student manager. In addition to being a great source of inside information and a great teller of (then Iowa assistant) Barry Alvarez stories, he staunchly denied that Ronnie threw the game. But he may have had his (obvious) reasons to stay tight lipped as well.
UCLA did a great job of film study that day. They detected that one of our defensive linemen would tip which way the line was slanting by which hand he put on the ground. They would then audible counter to the opposite side, which is why relatively unknown freshman Eric Ball ran wild that day. They ran the same plays that Michigan State ran earlier in the season when Lorenzo White rushed for over 200 yards on us.
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okeefe4prez
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Look, I didn't want to say anything, but I knew it was a damned conspiracy.
okeefe4prez
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That could be problematic. He would spill the beans on Fran's secret sauce on the defensive side of the ball and Iowa's domination on defense would be over.
Northside Hawk
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The association with Walters and Bloom, who along with their henchmen were known as unpleasant people, is the most damning evidence against Harmon. And Ronnie and his brother Kevin were definitely two of the more dapper people on the team. Lots of nice clothes, jewelry, general swag.
The key element would be who knew, at the time, that the Harmon brothers, and possibly fellow New Yorkers Devon Mitchell and Nate Creer, were into these agents. Hayden swears he didn't know, that the only time it could have happened was during Rose Bowl prep (wrong)
Once records of Ronnie's transcript came out, along with everything else, it got new University president Hunter Rawlings' antenna twitching to the point where he pushed his unilateral freshman ineligibility issue down everyone's throats. Perhaps Rawlings should have looked into the academic curriculum set in place his own university, not the athletic department, before he shot from the hip. In any case Hayden destroyed him in a famous press conference.
Fryowa
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Nah, he did it. Working for Norby was one thing. 5 turnovers is another. But when Franzese (the mobster Walters was himself working for) does an interview on Real Sports, gets a shit eating grin on his face and says, yeah it looks suspicious to me, like he might have thrown it...come on. Harmon was smart enough to know that guys had gotten whacked for not following orders and Walters and Bloom admitted to having players' legs broken who reneged on deals.
Once he took the first dollar bill form Norby he was permanently in the mix. Anybody who thinks he's innocent is like @74Hunter saying maybe Larry Phillips and Tom Osborne weren't criminals.
eff Ronnie Harmon.
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Northside Hawk
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Ask 74 Hunter sometime about Irving Fryar and the role he may have played in throwing the 1984 Orange Bowl.
May have cost Saint Tom a Natty and an undefeated season.
I don't know. Kirk was on that staff and if Kirk even had an inkling that Ronnie did it, he would have never let him close to the program again. He suspended his most talented player for a year in 1999 and kicked Sapp off the team prior to 2002. And they weren't throwing games.
Kirk has let Harmon be honorary captain twice. Once in 1999, KF may not have had a choice being the new coach but the second time was in 2006 vs Ohio St. By that time there wasn't a soul in the athletic department who could tell KF what to do with his program. No way Kirk lets him be here unless Kirk himself knew way back in 1980s that Ronnie was involved with shaddy people and what was going on behind closed doors and is keeping his mouth shut along with a lot of other former coaches and players.
dahlhawk
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I didn't until the last pass that Chuck threw to him and he had it and seemed to realize he wasn't supposed to catch it and spread his arms out and dropped it. That was the most intentional drop I've ever seen in my life. Similar to the drop in the AFC Championship with the Bills. You tell me what the coaches thought? Fry benched him after that play and the Bills benched him permanently.
Fryowa
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In 1989 Harmon admitted taking money from Norby. Which came out during Norby’s criminal trials. The same time it came out that Norby was hooked up with Franzese, a capo in the Colombo mob family. Norby admitted he and Bloom has had players legs broken if they didn’t follow orders.
If you want me to believe Kirk didn’t know by the time he was head coach that Harmon was a scumbag I ain’t buying it.
We can disagree, it’s ok. Ronnie Harmon to me will always be a pos who sold his soul and the most important game in Hawkeye history to the mob for $54,000. It was way more than $54K, but I say that because once he took that first dime he was nothing more than a mule who had to do whatever they said. I’ll never think of the guy as a Hawkeye.
Some people refuse to believe the obvious, and think he was a good guy who just got unlucky...and handed the ball to UCLA 5 times in the most important game of his career after losing it once all season. It’s ok because it hurts to believe anything else.
hawkdrummer1
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The "UCLA noticed in their scouting that he held the ball out so they went after it" angle is laughable. Everybody could see that Harmon did that in their film study...all year. You're telling me that UCLA was the only team that spotted it and tried to knock the ball away. Please.
