How can you watch the B1G...

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TheOnePercent

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... and honestly make an argument that the B1G isn't falling further behind year after year.

It's not even close with the SEC anymore, it's really not even close with the Pac 12 anymore either. I'd argue the ACC and Big 12 are above the B1G now too.

The B1G isn't in the top 2 anymore for sure, and I don't see it changing anytime soon unless the B1G is the first movers towards paid athletes.

Michigan won't sustain top 5 recruiting classes. Ohio State will be our only hope and they'll get embarrassed like they have in their last two BCS championships.
 
You do realize that no loss in the country looked worse than Arkansas losing to Louisianna Monroe. And that Vandy team, that exposed S. Carolina as an over-rated fraud, lost to world beater Northwestern. Say what you want about the Big Ten being down, but don't kid us with that garbage about how much better the SEC is than everyone else. They have 2 maybe 3 Elite teams and the rest of the conference rides those coat-tails as far as they can. Don't kid yourself that as a whole they're overall head and shoulders above everyone else. Get a clue.
 
kicker22 said:
You do realize that no loss in the country looked worse than Arkansas losing to Louisianna Monroe. And that Vandy team, that exposed S. Carolina as an over-rated fraud, lost to world beater Northwestern. Say what you want about the Big Ten being down, but don't kid us with that garbage about how much better the SEC is than everyone else. They have 2 maybe 3 Elite teams and the rest of the conference rides those coat-tails as far as they can. Don't kid yourself that as a whole they're overall head and shoulders above everyone else. Get a clue.
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Woooow bud. I didn't say the SEC is so much better than "everyone else". Stop trying to lump the B1G in with "everyone else". The B1G isn't "everyone else". Almost "everyone else" is better than the B1G. I said, "It's not even close with the SEC anymore" referencing that the B1G isn't even close to the SEC anymore.

If you think the B1G is close to the SEC then you're in a huge, huge minority in the nation's eyes and even in B1G fans' eyes.

UL-Monroe has speed and talent. They're probably faster in the skill positions than half of the plodding B1G. UL-Monroe would probably beat half of the teams in the B1G.

This article sums it up. College GameDay Final: Week 2 - ESPN
 
TheOnePercent said:
... and honestly make an argument that the B1G isn't falling further behind year after year.

It's not even close with the SEC anymore, it's really not even close with the Pac 12 anymore either. I'd argue the ACC and Big 12 are above the B1G now too.

The B1G isn't in the top 2 anymore for sure, and I don't see it changing anytime soon unless the B1G is the first movers towards paid athletes.

Michigan won't sustain top 5 recruiting classes. Ohio State will be our only hope and they'll get embarrassed like they have in their last two BCS championships.
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No football fan with a functioning brain tries to make that argument.
 
iowa state is simply the best college football team EVAR
 
I posted about this in another thread. In a nutshell, the conference (whether by design or not) trended toward being a spread conference after Ohio State's two NC game meltdowns to Florida and LSU. Iowa, when good in the trenches, and Wisconsin tend to be the two teams that handle the other conferences when at their best.

Even back to the 1980s, the B1G has been a step slower, but now it's slower and undersized. I think the model to follow is 1990s Wisconsin and Nebraska, and 2000s Iowa. Of those, of course, Nebraska had the best national success, but they also had criminals on their roster (see Lawrence Phillips, Christian Peter). The B1G needs to collectively return to a model with big backs and bigger linemen. Trying to catch up in speed by playing the spread was a pipe dream.
 
the B1G is old man football. 3 B1G teams have adapted to modern age football, and as you can see, they are the top 3 teams in the B1G. Some are slowly trying to catch up, while Iowa, Wisconsin and PSU are trying everything in their power to "still make it work." The game has changed, either jump on board, or get left behind.
 
Cover3 said:
I posted about this in another thread. In a nutshell, the conference (whether by design or not) trended toward being a spread conference after Ohio State's two NC game meltdowns to Florida and LSU. Iowa, when good in the trenches, and Wisconsin tend to be the two teams that handle the other conferences when at their best.

Even back to the 1980s, the B1G has been a step slower, but now it's slower and undersized. I think the model to follow is 1990s Wisconsin and Nebraska, and 2000s Iowa. Of those, of course, Nebraska had the best national success, but they also had criminals on their roster (see Lawrence Phillips, Christian Peter). The B1G needs to collectively return to a model with big backs and bigger linemen. Trying to catch up in speed by playing the spread was a pipe dream.
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But Iowa and Wisconsin don't carry the flag or the B1G. And the plodding style got the B1G in the big boy bowls against the big boy teams was Ohio State getting embarrassed, Lloyd Carr's Michigan getting absolutely destroyed by USC as we watched Carr's horse and chariot offense get it shoved back in their face and then their slow, white, plodding QB get sacked and hurried on 3rd and long after third and long...

Same thing happened when Penn State went to the Rose Bowl a few years ago. Same thing happened when USC thrashed us in 2002.

The B1G is trying to move more spread because big, slow, plodding, cramming 9 in the box football doesn't win championships anymore unless you're Alabama and fill your team with these best in the land from the south East... most of these players being African American mind you.

The B1G is stuck between a rock and a hard place. Go back to smash mouth and get embarrassed in the big boy bowls.... or go spread and hope Ohio State or Michigan can suck enough speed out of the heartland to compete with the SEC and Pac 12 speed.... which is wishful thinking.

I'd prefer the B1G go back to slow plodding... at least Iowa matched up against that better.
 
No doubt about it. Whats frustrating is even with how down the league is, iowa will still be middle of the pack.
 
TheOnePercent said:
But Iowa and Wisconsin don't carry the flag or the B1G. And the plodding style got the B1G in the big boy bowls against the big boy teams was Ohio State getting embarrassed, Lloyd Carr's Michigan getting absolutely destroyed by USC as we watched Carr's horse and chariot offense get it shoved back in their face and then their slow, white, plodding QB get sacked and hurried on 3rd and long after third and long...

Same thing happened when Penn State went to the Rose Bowl a few years ago. Same thing happened when USC thrashed us in 2002.
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I know it. That's why the lines have to be great. Looking at the B1G's last national champion (2002 Ohio State, regardless of what the world thinks of them in hindsight). They had a great cover corner in Gamble (which our '02 team lacked big time), and a great front four on defense. The plodding style on offense is fine, unless you suddenly realize you're going to have to score 35 points to win. That team had Mike Doss and Chris Gamble in the secondary, and while lucky as hell, they beat Miami in the trenches and overcame the skill position deficit everywhere else.

It's an uphill battle, sure, but trying to run and gun with them won't work regardless of offensive system. It's always going to be tough for a Big Ten team to win a NC, but we're all so far out of the conversation now that I would just like to see the B1G get back to physically punishing any teams, even MAC or FCS teams. MSU has been the one B1G team I've watched so far that physically outmatched an opponent (BSU game).
 
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