Hiring a DC from the outside would be an easier transition

[DuffMan]

One thing I've seen floated on here by JD and others is the idea that we would hire a DC internally because that would mean less of a shake up. I think the exact opposite is true.

If we hire internally we would see additional changes internally as we move to fill the void of either Parker or Wilson. In addition you might have to deal with jealousy or someone holding a grudge if they were passed over.

If we hired Stoops or someone else externally then every other coaching position could remain the same, and you wouldn't have to deal with any jealousy on the staff over being passed over for someone else on staff.

 

[bhawkn30]

I think you're digging a little to hard to find an argument. Especially in paragraph 2.

 

[DuffMan]

I think you're digging a little to hard to find an argument. Especially in paragraph 2.

I've seen more than one person suggest that if one were chosen over the other the one left behind would leave. The reality is if you hire one from outside there is less of a shake up than if you juggle several coaches internally after promoting from within.

 

[hogeye]

In theory, you potentially have to deal with the jealousy of every internal coach that felt they had a solid shot at the DC position. Also, what if Stoops, or whatever external DC that came in, wasn't happy with existing staff? That's a two way street.

You make it sound as if you've boiled this down to a bunch of catty women that will back stab and claw for what they want.

It's CFB, it's a business. Coaches understand their relative value and chain of command. KF has strong leadership skills and he'll put in place someone that will be given due respect by the staff, regardless of internal or external.

If guys don't like it they all know how to reach their agent.

 

[DuffMan]

You can't very well talk about professionalism and dicipline from the top in one breath and suggest the new guy would dislike assistant coaches and rock the boat in the next.

 

[hogeye]

You can't very well talk about professionalism and dicipline from the top in one breath and suggest the new guy would dislike assistant coaches and rock the boat in the next.

So what you are saying is that there is absolutely no way an external hire could come in and then have issues with inherited staff.

 

[DuffMan]

You can't very well talk about professionalism and dicipline from the top in one breath and suggest the new guy would dislike assistant coaches and rock the boat in the next.

So what you are saying is that there is absolutely no way an external hire could come in and then have issues with inherited staff.

No, I'm suggesting its silly to express confidences in KF to put someone in place that would be both respected by current staff and be respectfull of KFs command in one breath, and say what if the new guy hates the current staff in the next.

 

[hogeye]

No, I'm suggesting its silly to express confidences in KF to put someone in place that would be both respected by current staff and be respectfull of KFs command in one breath, and say what if the new guy hates the current staff in the next.

That's not what I am saying. The first part of my post, prefaced deliberately with 'in theory', was simply pointing out the fact that aren't taking every possibility into consideration within your post.

The latter half my reply is simply the reality of the situation that KF has the ability as a leader to put someone he trusts in place and that the staff KF has already assembled most likely will be on board, and if not...like I pointed out, they know their agents number.

You're confounding the two points.

 

[VAHawkFan]

Hire from within, hire from outside...it doesn't matter. If there's a staff member who truly believes they are DC material and they see that door all but closed now at Iowa, there's an equal likelihood they'll go looking for another opportunity.

Also, we're talking about a professional coaching staff here that has great continuity and, from all reports, good relationships. There's not going to be some meltdown of sophmoric proportions as the staff struggles to come to grips with jealousy and inner turmoil. There may eventually be more turnover but in the meantime it's not going to deteriorate into a slap fight.

 

[BlackHawk]

Duff--you are making a silly argument.

If there are two "internal" folks that think they have a legitimate shot, if you hire "externally", both are PO'ed and could chose to leave. You are then down two coaches, instead of one.

If you think it is unlikely that both would consider leaving with an external hire, but also believe that it is likely that the unselected coach would consider leaving with an internal hire, please explain why you believe that. In either case, they have been passed up for the job.

 

[daverhawk]

The effect on recruiting is something else to consider. Though one could argue that hiring a famous DC from outside might help bring in some studs on defense, it seems much more likely that hiring from within, and the limited negative effects that this has on the defensive coaching staff, would make those already committed feel comfortable enough to stick around.

 

[DuffMan]

take all the emotional stuff out and you still have more turmoil hiring from within.

hire from within and you end up w at least two (and likely more) coaches who are new and/or have new duties/responsibility.

hire aiken or Stoops and everything else stays stable.

 

[BlackHawk]

take all the emotional stuff out and you still have more turmoil hiring from within.

hire from within and you end up w at least two (and likely more) coaches who are new and/or have new duties/responsibility.

hire aiken or Stoops and everything else stays stable.

Nice watch, Duff.

This is just another example of Duff saying something that is 100% wrong and refusing to back off of it.

 

[hogeye]

Assuming that Aiken and Stoops don't change a thing. Any incoming DC could introduce a fair amount of change that effects everything from film breakdown, playbook/nomenclature changes to practice drills and more.

Remember Michigan's big advertised problem when the changed DC's under RR? Nomenclature of plays was a major hurdle for them even though the basic defensive precepts weren't all that different from the previous regime.

That alone could be a major hurdle because it would effect communication on the staff and with the players.

 

[VAHawkFan]

take all the emotional stuff out and you still have more turmoil hiring from within.

hire from within and you end up w at least two (and likely more) coaches who are new and/or have new duties/responsibility.

hire aiken or Stoops and everything else stays stable.

Unless the outside hire causes Parker and/or Wilson to seek another opportunity in the offseason. In which case you still end up replacing additional coaches.

Six of one, half-dozen of another.

 

[AZHAWKFAN1]

Unless the outside hire causes Parker and/or Wilson to seek another opportunity in the offseason. In which case you still end up replacing additional coaches.

Six of one, half-dozen of another.

If Mark Stoops would accept the DC position it would enhance recruiting in Florida. Not a bad thing!