Have to ask..has CJ already being "Rudocked" by staff

HaydenHawk56

HaydenHawk56

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Granted, 21 days to the first game and hard to take away a lot of things from a scrimmage. I did not see the scrimmage live today at Kinnick, but did watch highlights and have been reading some posts on the scrimmage. I did find some comments interesting from CJ saying he is only thrown 1 pick as of late (I think he said over the last several practices...don't exactly remember what he said, but I do remember him saying 1 pick and being pretty pleased about that). I'm praying he will not be neutered like past players in his shoes.

I guess we will know for sure soon. I think we need him to be a little more on the Stanzi side of the fence this year.

Anyone have any worries (even slight) who was there today?


Edit: He had only thrown 1 pick all camp and Coach Davis preaches about not turning the ball over.

Don't mean to read into the comment, but it is hard not to.
 
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I realize this is a common theme this time of year, and I don't mean to be a jerk with my response. People just need to wait and see come game 1. The defense is always ahead of the offense at this time. There's no reason to look too far into any individual reports or tweets.

CJ is capable of being a successful B10 QB if the young guys on the line and some receivers can step up. Those question marks remain, and we won't know an answer until they are in action against another team.
 
DP5555 said:
I realize this is a common theme this time of year, and I don't mean to be a jerk with my response. People just need to wait and see come game 1. The defense is always ahead of the offense at this time. There's no reason to look too far into any individual reports or tweets.

CJ is capable of being a successful B10 QB if the young guys on the line and some receivers can step up. Those question marks remain, and we won't know an answer until they are in action against another team.
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Yes, from what it sounds, defense dominated offensive line. Did not give CJ a lot of time today to throw the ball.

Concerning, but we shall see soon enough.
 
James Vandenburg 2011 (before Greg Davis) 25 TDs, 7 INTs

James Vandenburg 2012 (with Greg Davis) 7 TDs, 8 INTs

Any questions?
 
How can you not be happy with that interception stat? Much better than what you will hear out of some other conference camps at this time.
 
MoseSchrute said:
How can you not be happy with that interception stat? Much better than what you will hear out of some other conference camps at this time.
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It is a very, very good stat. I just hope there is no reason to be concerned in its context about having only 1 interception and Greg Davis preaching to the QBs about not turning the ball over. Meaning the concern of another year of risk aversion (see Drummer's post above). Though, if that would be the case it would not really matter if the line can't block for him anyway.
 
^ Well, after reading some of the stuff about the practice today, I'm much more concerned about the OL now anyway. Sounds like they can't even run the ball, let alone have time to make good throws.
 
The heat he is getting from the DL thus far likely makes any type of read impossible at this juncture
 
hawkdrummer1 said:
James Vandenburg 2011 (before Greg Davis) 25 TDs, 7 INTs

James Vandenburg 2012 (with Greg Davis) 7 TDs, 8 INTs

Any questions?
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McNutt in 2011 & no McNutt in 2012.

Not saying Davis is any good at all but you really need to show a game-by-game break down between the 2 seasons. I think you will find JVB racked some stats up against the poor competition in 2011. I believe he threw 4 TD's against a god awful Indiana team to McNutt. He racked up a bunch of stats in the 4th quarter comeback against PITT (6-6). What were his stats in 2011 against Nebby?
 
hawkdrummer1 said:
James Vandenburg 2011 (before Greg Davis) 25 TDs, 7 INTs

James Vandenburg 2012 (with Greg Davis) 7 TDs, 8 INTs

Any questions?
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You have to remember in 2012 IIRC the hawks were 4-2 and 2-0 in the Big 10 then the debacle against Penn St and losing two best Off linemen lead to no running game and worse pass protection. The hawks had trouble then picking up 3rd and 1. Again if you cant run or have time to throw deep then Davis's short passing game aint working.

Just look what happened mid season of 2010 when the hawks lost their right guard and his replacement was an undersized backup center and they lost their best and most athletic linebacker, tarpinian. Both the offense and defense lost a step with two injuries.
 
CJB made a bunch of great throws last year and not a lot of bad throws. I think he will go through his reads and progressions and just naturally make mostly good decisions and a lot of good throws.

It showed in the bowl game he could do pretty well under pressure and a pass rush.
 
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Good Lord, please, NO! The only thing on offense I am remotely interested in seeing play out this year is how rogue CJ will go. He needs to realize he has absolutely ZERO reason to look over his shoulder and just needs to go play the way he plays to give the O any chance of being successful.

The best thing he can do is prepare himself to check out of as many of the suicidal rushing plays that derKerkFeravis try to pass off as legitimate strategy. If he can constantly audible the play into space and be constantly prepared to run at the first sign of pressure, he might just give this impotent attack a fighting chance.
(He will have to grow some thick skin against the sideline and public, post-game chastising by derKerkFer because he checked out of the scripted short-side stretch play into the sidelines and turned it into a first-, or, heaven-forbid, touchdown.)
 
SpecialKHawk said:
McNutt in 2011 & no McNutt in 2012.

Not saying Davis is any good at all but you really need to show a game-by-game break down between the 2 seasons. I think you will find JVB racked some stats up against the poor competition in 2011. I believe he threw 4 TD's against a god awful Indiana team to McNutt. He racked up a bunch of stats in the 4th quarter comeback against PITT (6-6). What were his stats in 2011 against Nebby?
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The 2011 night game against Northwestern he put up really good numbers. Statistically, he put up good numbers in the ISU game(2011), but struggled after the 1st qtr. The numbers are somewhat deceptive in 2011, JVB put up numbers in about 5 games that year.
 
It's not Rudocked, it's Davised. Anyone that expects different from a Davis coached, Ferentz influenced offense is setting themselves up for huge disappointment.
 
hawkdrummer1 said:
getting back to the OP's question...the answer would appear to be, Yes.

Ferentz neuters yet another potential playmaker
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You know what pissses me off the most about that article, KF saying he's perturbed about the 4 first half turnovers in the nebby game. Well Kirk, even with those turnovers your team had a 17 point lead in the 4th quarter, and instead of putting it away...we "avoided turnovers"...and lost the game.

While agree you always want to limit turnovers, and you should even focus on it, the problem is, you can be smartly aggressive and still play against turnovers.

Oline, namely OT, is my biggest concern, closely behind that, is overly conservative offensive gameplan.

You know what you can do while developing you Oline...move the pocket with your mobile QB and run counters to slow down an overly aggressive, blitzing defense.

I think another poster put it best, a "Davis led, KF influenced" offense is not working....
 
He'll chuck it when he feels like it because there is absolutely zero chance that he'll be pulled for bad throws. See: Stanzi, Richard circa 2009
 
HawkeyeWalker said:
You know what pissses me off the most about that article, KF saying he's perturbed about the 4 first half turnovers in the nebby game. Well Kirk, even with those turnovers your team had a 17 point lead in the 4th quarter, and instead of putting it away...we "avoided turnovers"...and lost the game.

While agree you always want to limit turnovers, and you should even focus on it, the problem is, you can be smartly aggressive and still play against turnovers.

Oline, namely OT, is my biggest concern, closely behind that, is overly conservative offensive gameplan.

You know what you can do while developing you Oline...move the pocket with your mobile QB and run counters to slow down an overly aggressive, blitzing defense.

I think another poster put it best, a "Davis led, KF influenced" offense is not working....
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We need to be fair and accurate about that Nebraska game. Look, Davis is a chump, but his scheme on three occasions in the second half created wide open receivers behind the defense that Candy Arm Wolverine either didn't even see or was too afraid to target. Connect on one or two of those and that game would have devolved into an Iowa rout.
 
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