Good, Bad or Troubling

[sportstalent]

In my time off of work, something that struck me in looking at Iowa's recruiting class.

Brian Ferentz has recruited the best players of this class to date what is your feeling on this?

With Ferentz in his first year, most of the class that they have so far also has Brian's name attached to them.

 

[Doublewide]

Whar is the don't care option in yur poll?

 

[Stanzi]

Whar is the don't care option in yur poll?

I'm pretty sure it's on Cyclone Fanatic.

 

[IowaFan81]

I'll let you know in 2-4 years when we can actually see what the recruits play like.

 

[sportstalent]

With all the angst on this board and football this is not going the way I thought, there are still the optimists out there.

 

[Sparky]

In my time off of work, something that struck me in looking at Iowa's recruiting class.

Brian Ferentz has recruited the best players of this class to date what is your feeling on this?

With Ferentz in his first year, most of the class that they have so far also has Brian's name attached to them.

I'm not trying to sound like a jerk but...

It's not that difficult to have the best recruits when the entire class is below par.

 

[dave3912]

I'll let you know in 2-4 years when we can actually see what the recruits play like.

I think this says it all, we don't know if they are true the best recruits or not until they play.

But if we are talking just strictly "potential", then yes he has the best recruits.

In that sense, I find it a little bit of all three options. Good, bad and troubling.

Good for the obvious reasons.

Bad because why haven't Iowa had better success in those areas before? Is it his short NFL playing experience and/or his NFL coaching experience.

Troubling because if no one else is pulling in best guys, why? Is it because they are losing their edge or interest in the program. Is it harder to recruit now that Iowa went 8-5, 7-6 and then 4-8 after a going to the Orange bowl in '09.

 

[RenoHightower]

The entire premise of this thread is ********. Every single recruit Iowa has committed is rated 3 stars by Rivals. None of them are any better than any of the others. And that's the entire problem with this class: no impact players.

 

[dave3912]

The entire premise of this thread is ********. Every single recruit Iowa has committed is rated 3 stars by Rivals. None of them are any better than any of the others. And that's the entire problem with this class: no impact players.

So you are saying that a 3 star player isn't an impact player?

I thought that impact players were decided on the field, not in recruiting rankings.

 

[sportstalent]

The entire premise of this thread is ********. Every single recruit Iowa has committed is rated 3 stars by Rivals. None of them are any better than any of the others. And that's the entire problem with this class: no impact players.

In comparing where each kid is ranked in relationship to their state it makes sense. Some are ranked in their state, some aren't and if you think 3* kids can't make an impact Aldon Smith was a 3* kid and the 66th or so ranked rush end.

 

[Hawkeye11en1]

The entire premise of this thread is ********. Every single recruit Iowa has committed is rated 3 stars by Rivals. None of them are any better than any of the others. And that's the entire problem with this class: no impact players.

Yeah, that 4* Garmon was a high impact player.

 

[dave3912]

Yeah, that 4* Garmon was a high impact player.

11en1, he did impact the team, just not in a good way. Impact doesn't always mean a good.

 

[CPHAWK82]

The entire premise of this thread is ********. Every single recruit Iowa has committed is rated 3 stars by Rivals. None of them are any better than any of the others. And that's the entire problem with this class: no impact players.

There's no way of knowing this. Look at a kid like Bullock. An unranked zero star recruit with zero offers before Iowa offered him as a fall back recruit the day before signing day. Garmon comes in the next year highly touted and never even comes close to beating him out. You really can't grade these classes yet. I've looked back on older recruiting classes that had all kinds of 1 and 2 star kids. This years class has nearly all 3 star ranked recruits. I'd be willing to guess there are multiple impact players in this class.

 

[dave3912]

There's no way of knowing this. Look at a kid like Bullock. An unranked zero star recruit with zero offers before Iowa offered him as a fall back recruit the day before signing day. Garmon comes in the next year highly touted and never even comes close to beating him out. You really can't grade these classes yet. I've looked back on older recruiting classes that had all kinds of 1 and 2 star kids. This years class has nearly all 3 star ranked recruits. I'd be willing to guess there are multiple impact players in this class.

Damon Bullock - Yahoo! Sports

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Damon Bullock

He only played in 3 games his junior year due to injury, that is what caused him to have a lack of other offers. He probably was truly a 2* which he was, as he was a censensus 2* among Scout, Rivals and 247 Sports, but he wasn't a ZERO STAR recruit.

 

[sportstalent]

I'm not trying to sound like a jerk but...

It's not that difficult to have the best recruits when the entire class is below par.

This is what I expected.

 

[aaronzuriel]

It's mostly bad and troubling that Iowa can't recruit 4 * players that get on to campus and stay on the football team and perform for at least 2 or 3 years.

Forget 5 * players that Iowa rarely have a chance at.. there are only, what 20 to 30, 5* players in any given year?

Ferentz has never been nor will be a "great" recruiter of 4* talent. It's incredibly difficult to begin with, considering it's Iowa and Ferentz's philosophy... that's the way it is. (btw 80% of college coaches would have the same type of problems and results at Iowa)

Ferentz is great at recruiting and signing 1 * and 2 * players and then developing that end up being 3 * s in college. Several 3 * players end up into 4 * s and even an occasional 5 *.

If only Brian or someone else on staff could become the recruiter of the 2 or 3 4* players every year that turn out to be 4*s. These are some of the burners and wide outs really needed. Play makers on D that actually end up playing corner in the NFL. That's the major hurdle for the Hawkeye program in terms of player's talent on the field every Saturday.

 

[sportstalent]

It's mostly bad and troubling that Iowa can't recruit 4 * players that get on to campus and stay on the football team and perform for at least 2 or 3 years.

Forget 5 * players that Iowa rarely have a chance at.. there are only, what 20 to 30, 5* players in any given year?

Ferentz has never been nor will be a "great" recruiter of 4* talent. It's incredibly difficult to begin with, considering it's Iowa and Ferentz's philosophy... that's the way it is. (btw 80% of college coaches would have the same type of problems and results at Iowa)

Ferentz is great at recruiting and signing 1 * and 2 * players and then developing that end up being 3 * s in college. Several 3 * players end up into 4 * s and even an occasional 5 *.

If only Brian or someone else on staff could become the recruiter of the 2 or 3 4* players every year that turn out to be 4*s. These are some of the burners and wide outs really needed. Play makers on D that actually end up playing corner in the NFL. That's the major hurdle for the Hawkeye program in terms of player's talent on the field every Saturday.

Statement of the decade right here. This situation itself has so many parallels to the Iowa basketball program and the fans seem to be having the same feelings toward Ferentz as they did toward that guy before Lickliter right before he left and Barta didn't have to fire him. The attitude just seems so much alike toward Ferentz.

I think Iowa football fans are at the point to thinking: "Who is leaving, getting arrested, or not coming?" each offseason, but lately all three have been happening with far too much regularity.

Iowa football has become stagnant, I like the BF hire a lot actually and he has made headway on the recruiting trail, but Iowa can't keep the top players they do get to campus in school, they always seem to finish somewhere else, here in the last 5 years or so.

I am actually surprised choice #2 isn't the winner here. I voted on #1 because, on paper, it appears BF is bringing in guys that are "average" but look to be athletic, this used to work in Iowa's favor a ton when Iowa has been really good. Iowa's 4* kids are best when they have been OL/DL, maybe I am wrong, but it has seemed those kids have stayed and been successful.

 

[RenoHightower]

The point is that you cannot look at Iowa's current class, composed ENTIRELY of players with the exact same star rating, and start saying that this player is better than that player. It's just stupid, and demonstrates why this is a pointless thread. If we had some highly ranked guys that Brian had brought in, OK then. But we don't. So what the hell is the point again?

 

[sportstalent]

The point is that you cannot look at Iowa's current class, composed ENTIRELY of players with the exact same star rating, and start saying that this player is better than that player. It's just stupid, and demonstrates why this is a pointless thread. If we had some highly ranked guys that Brian had brought in, OK then. But we don't. So what the hell is the point again?

So a 3* rated No. 12 in Ohio can't be considered a "better" prospect than a 3* from Ohio that has no state ranking? Is that what you are saying?

You can't say a kid in the Top 100 3* from Texas is not a "better" prospect than the No. 2 Iowa ranked prospect at the same 3* ranking?

Also, when I am looking at this class, Iowa is in need of athletes, the kid that is a 3* that is enrolling early on paper runs a 4.6 and is around 220 lbs. A player Iowa brought in every year that is 6'3" 220lbs 3* with, on paper, running a 4.85 can't be looked at as player with less athleticism than the kid that is enrolling?

On paper, it appears the guys BF has been linked too are the "better" athletes of this class. It is about looking at what BF has been linked too and the others haven't been at this point.

It is perception and we all know perception is not always reality, take a look at it objectively. If you want to perceive that this class is crap that is your view. The point of the thread is that BF, on paper, appears to be getting athletes in spots Iowa needs it and others on staff are not, which is why I thought No. 2 would win out.