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revkev73

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FWIW NFL draft rankings/updates

#26 Fant (Down 4 slots)

#70 Nelson ( + 129 )

#115 Hockenson (+198 )

#252 Hooker ( - 35 )

#147 Pierschbacher ( - 147 )

Interesting but for entertainment purposes only of course. Should be an interesting draft for those underclassmen, lots on the line.
 
Hooker is the one that will be interesting. He's not big enough to be a traditional safety and hasn't played much corner, but has shown he can play it. But in today's NFL, you need guys you can move around and cover. I could see him going in the 2nd or slipping to the 5th.
 
99topdawg said:
Hooker is the one that will be interesting. He's not big enough to be a traditional safety and hasn't played much corner, but has shown he can play it. But in today's NFL, you need guys you can move around and cover. I could see him going in the 2nd or slipping to the 5th.
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Hoping he made a good decision.
 
Stanzi said:
The Hockenson and Hooker rankings gave me a chuckle. No way either slides that far.
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i think that when TJ shows at the NFL combine or Iowa's pro day, the teams will see he is almost as athletic as Fant. remember, TJ has a 40" vertical and, in my opinion, more consistent hands. hooker doesn't have the body of work in that he only played 2 seasons, but he'll rise after combine/pro day also.
 
Kiper has Hockenson going #18 in his most recent mock draft. Fant wasn’t mentioned.

McShay has Fant going #28 in his most recent mock draft. Hockenson wasn’t mentioned.
 
Stanzi said:
Kiper has Hockenson going #18 in his most recent mock draft. Fant wasn’t mentioned.

McShay has Fant going #28 in his most recent mock draft. Hockenson wasn’t mentioned.
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Mock drafts are fun but they really don’t have a clue what will happen after the first picks and especially on draft day when teams make moves to move up and it’s a straight crapshoot. Also as for TJ he most certainly could fall to 3rd or 4th round and it would shock me at all.



Look at Desmond King no way I ever seen him falling to the #151 5th round. That was whack!!
 
Hooker will go in the 3rd or 4th. He's a guy who needs the right fit defensively. Creative D-coordinator. He will land in a place like Arizona, new England, Denver. They'll find a place for him, and he'll be awesome. Natural ball skills and instincts. Good athleticism. His best football is ahead.
 
I felt like nelson should have come back, but you could tell he was ready to be done during bowl week. Nelson to me when he wanted to be and needed to be could be dominant for a series or two a game, but then would disappear for whole plays at a time. Part of it was scheme as he would drop back into zone coverage trying to knock down passes over the middle with the 200 feet wing span, but... would be nice to have seen him come back for another year.
 
99topdawg said:
Hooker is the one that will be interesting. He's not big enough to be a traditional safety and hasn't played much corner, but has shown he can play it. But in today's NFL, you need guys you can move around and cover. I could see him going in the 2nd or slipping to the 5th.
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6', 210 lbs? Are "traditional safeties" really bigger?
 
CP87 said:
6', 210 lbs? Are "traditional safeties" really bigger?
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I went off of what I found on the Iowa website, which was 6' 200. I looked up in Dane Brugler's draft guide from last year and found 6 safeties in the top 20 that were around that size. One went in the 3rd round, one in the 4th, and the other 4 were not drafted. The rest of the safeties were bigger than Amani.

I just looked other places and did see him listed at 210 and also a couple of places at 6'1". If that's the case, then, he fits in with the smaller-end safeties that have been drafted higher. I think the scale and tape measure could really help/hurt him, fair or not. Similar to Desmond King, who we all knew was going to be very good, he tested too small to be a safety and too slow to be a corner, so he slipped to the 5th. I think, if Amani doesn't measure up to what they want a the underwear olympics, he may slip as well. He's simply a football player.
 
I'm not going to go to far out on a limb here, but I don't think NF and TJ have a whole lot of picks in between them.
I'm leaning towards mid second to early third.
AH and AN, I feel the same way about. They both could have used another year. Probably not a bunch of space between them being picked either.
Both are sound, but not looked at like coming in and challenging for starts right away like TJ and NF will be. The risk/reward on AH and AN is higher, will they push for play time after a year? Or be solid depth?
I think that pushes them back to the 4th round. Possibly somewhere in the late 3rd if they impress at the combine and in interviews.
 
4thngoal said:
I'm not going to go to far out on a limb here, but I don't think NF and TJ have a whole lot of picks in between them.
I'm leaning towards mid second to early third.
AH and AN, I feel the same way about. They both could have used another year. Probably not a bunch of space between them being picked either.
Both are sound, but not looked at like coming in and challenging for starts right away like TJ and NF will be. The risk/reward on AH and AN is higher, will they push for play time after a year? Or be solid depth?
I think that pushes them back to the 4th round. Possibly somewhere in the late 3rd if they impress at the combine and in interviews.
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Nelson and Hooker I would define as "football players" something a player either has or doesn't. I think both will give great value in the middle rounds to a team that can use them wisely, or perhaps higher.

Hooker Rams? Nelson Packers?
 
revkev73 said:
Nelson and Hooker I would define as "football players" something a player either has or doesn't. I think both will give great value in the middle rounds to a team that can use them wisely, or perhaps higher.

Hooker Rams? Nelson Packers?
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I just think they will be looked at as possible depth.
That usually means later and short contracts worth less. Basically given a chance. Each could have used another year.

Personally I still think TJ is the less risk pick.
But jeez
revkev73 said:
Nelson and Hooker I would define as "football players" something a player either has or doesn't. I think both will give great value in the middle rounds to a team that can use them wisely, or perhaps higher.

Hooker Rams? Nelson Packers?
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I'm not saying they aren't good ball players. They are sound. Dependable, do their job type players.
It's just like I said, except for something like an injury I just think TJ and NF have a better chance at cracking the starting lineup.
That's not to say they can't, but more they will probably be given a chance.
The risk on our TE's is much lower, because after learning the play book, they would instantly be solid backups and start pushing for the starting gig.
Again all of them can, it's just going to take more work for a couple of them.
A list of early departures

https://www.google.com/amp/s/247spo...-players-leaving-early-for-NFL-125276826/Amp/
 
4thngoal said:
I just think they will be looked at as possible depth.
That usually means later and short contracts worth less. Basically given a chance. Each could have used another year.

Personally I still think TJ is the less risk pick.
But jeez


I'm not saying they aren't good ball players. They are sound. Dependable, do their job type players.
It's just like I said, except for something like an injury I just think TJ and NF have a better chance at cracking the starting lineup.
That's not to say they can't, but more they will probably be given a chance.
The risk on our TE's is much lower, because after learning the play book, they would instantly be solid backups and start pushing for the starting gig.
Again all of them can, it's just going to take more work for a couple of them.
A list of early departures

https://www.google.com/amp/s/247spo...-players-leaving-early-for-NFL-125276826/Amp/
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When Fant jumps ship, then with "experts" in their ears, the questioning has to begin...why stay around, for what? Herd mentality takes over. Valid questions for sure, I can see both sides.
 
revkev73 said:
When Fant jumps ship, then with "experts" in their ears, the questioning has to begin...why stay around, for what? Herd mentality takes over. Valid questions for sure, I can see both sides.
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Well something I have figured out in my life. If you want to laugh, you go watch a comedian. If you want to hear music, you go see a musician. You want your taxes done, you go see an accountant.
I have also figured out that 99.9% of people that can't make a living off those who can.
Unfortunately I didn't understand how it works earlier in my life.
It's not just football, the hidden gem is being signed earlier and earlier. Unfortunately the cost comes out of the talents pockets because of risk/reward.
Which basically transforms to numbers. Basically you sign x amount and know it has to avg x amount to be profitable. Sign 10 bands and hope 1 makes it fairly big type of deal.
I understand the business, but to me it's more personal. Just like sales, if I don't believe in the product, I'm not going to have the ambition to sell it as hard and even if I do, what is my word really worth if I can't stand behind it??
That creates a moral dilemma in me that I neither want nor need.
 
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