WindsorHawk
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He isn't hiring an agent but testing the waters. I withdraw my prior statements that Michigan will win the Big Ten next year...if Morris departs.
Darius Morris enters draft
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hawkfarmer
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I think that he will end up staying, don't think he's NBA ready yet. he'll pull a Moore and Johnson and come back for 1 more year
DeputyHawk
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This draft is weak this year. He will be a first rounder.
tm3308
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Who won't be playing next year, and who could greatly increase his stock by sticking around.
uofihawkInation
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Every underclassman eligible for the draft could improve their stock with maybe the exception of Percy Jones. But I agreee with the point, Morris needs more time to develop.
Cyclones17
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Derrick Williams, Harrison Barnes, Jared Sullinger, and Kyrie Irving are not going to improve their stock. All top 5 picks. If I was Sullinger I would leave now. Don't give NBA scouts another year to nitpick your game and say you are to short
tm3308
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They may not be able to improve their stock, but they can certainly improve their game. But those would be the group of guys that I wouldn't consider foolish for leaving. A guy like Morris actually goes pro, that's foolish. Only top-5/7 picks should seriously entertain the idea this year, IMO.
Cyclones17
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You can always improve your game. You can improve when you are 30 yrs old still. Why not get paid millions while improving your game? Plus, that wasn't the initial comment. He said that all underclassmen can improve their stock, which isn't true for all
uofihawkInation
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It is true for all. If you improve your game, you improve your talent. Who was Williams before March? How many people on here knew of him? What did Barnes do 3 months ago? Nothing he had a poor first half. Sullenger is gaining weight and his talent could be much better with a year under him. My point is look at Kemba, if he entered last year he would not have been picked, this year he can go top 5.
tm3308
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The top guys won't improve their STOCK, simply because they don't really have any more room to move up. But I agree, they can improve their game. And I'd have to imagine that it's easier to do that at the college level than it is in the NBA. They may not be getting paid millions, but in the long-term it's probably in their best interests to stay. The better they are coming in, the more likely they are to be successful.
tm3308
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Like I said, if Barnes/Sullinger/Irving/etc. went early, I wouldn't say they were being stupid. Their stock can't get much higher. But for guys like Morris, who aren't really ready, and are first round picks mostly because the draft is embarrassingly weak, they'd be stupid for going. The guys like Morris don't typically last long. Players with his talent level need to be much more refined to have a realistic chance of success.
SpiderRico
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I'm not sure you understand how NBA contracts work. Since the new CBA did away with $100M rookie contracts and everyone is now "slotted", the first contract really doesn't matter.
However, the new CBA allows for free agency after 3 years, so the sooner you can get that 3-year clock moving, the better. If you have to sit for a year or two, no big deal.
But staying in college only delays the 3-year clock. If a player is going to be a first rounder, it is in their best interest to leave. Period.
Cyclones17
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Who was Williams before March? Um, he was the Pac 10 player of the year and the #1 pick in the draft on most peoples boards. I repeat, before March, he was already the #1 pick in the draft on most peoples boards.
Barnes was a top 5 to 10 pick 3 months ago. Sullinger as well.
Sure Kemba improved his stock. For him it made sense but for Barnes, Irving, Sullinger, and Williams it doesn't. All top 5 picks.
The tricky part for these frosh who are projected top ten,is that there is always another class coming up behind them,with more ''belles of the ball'' that will attract the NBA's attention,who could pass them by next year,just on potential.
Of course,the new CBA may change things dramatically. If they go with the baseball rule with a window for HS players to go pro immediately or wait til after their junior year,as I hope they do, then the kids who do not want school at all will go immediately to the NBA or to europe,and the rest will go to college and the college game will be stablized....and if that is even a remote possibilty then any college frosh who is draftable should go immediately to the NBA draft,or face the possibility of having to stay in college thru their junior seasons and forfeit two years of millions.
It will be interesting to see how this pans out. Morris will get assessments and if he is a first rounder, I suspect he comes out. It is a very weak draft and he might very well be projected in the first round. I think he has a pro-style game,and pgs are very desired by the pros right now. They are guaranteed three years in the league if a 1st rounder,and he should be developed by the end of that contract,or he is not a player and will go home with the 3 million plus he has earned. I say he probably leaves....
Of course,the new CBA may change things dramatically. If they go with the baseball rule with a window for HS players to go pro immediately or wait til after their junior year,as I hope they do, then the kids who do not want school at all will go immediately to the NBA or to europe,and the rest will go to college and the college game will be stablized....and if that is even a remote possibilty then any college frosh who is draftable should go immediately to the NBA draft,or face the possibility of having to stay in college thru their junior seasons and forfeit two years of millions.
It will be interesting to see how this pans out. Morris will get assessments and if he is a first rounder, I suspect he comes out. It is a very weak draft and he might very well be projected in the first round. I think he has a pro-style game,and pgs are very desired by the pros right now. They are guaranteed three years in the league if a 1st rounder,and he should be developed by the end of that contract,or he is not a player and will go home with the 3 million plus he has earned. I say he probably leaves....
uofihawkInation
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Williams was but how well was he's known around the nation? He want talked about as much as other guys. And all these guys truly could get better coming back, which was my point that you ignored.
Cyclones17
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I ignored it or you simply didn't say it? Read above for what you said, you said they would improve their stock and that is what I disagreed with.
Every person in the country can improve their game with another year. But pretty much every player in the NBA can improve as well, so what is the difference? Go get the money and improve in the NBA if you are a top 5-10 pick.
tm3308
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I'm not talking about sitting on the bench. I'm talking about the lockout that seems pretty likely to happen.
