Curbing Expectations for Next Year

briankaldenberg

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It's great to be optimistic going into next year, but sometimes overly optimistic expectations leads to seeing an 8-4 season as underachieving.

This year we lost:

Bulaga: One of the best tackles to ever play for Ferentz - NFL bound

Calloway: One of the better tackles to ever play for Ferentz - NFL bound

Richardson: Would start on most BCS teams in America - Possibly NFL

Eubanks: Senior leadership and experience at the center position

Moeaki: 2nd best tight end to play for Ferentz - NFL bound

Spivey: Best or one of the best corners to play for Ferentz - NFL bound

Edds: Very solid LB with tons of experience and one of best LB's in pass coverage to play for Ferentz - NFL bound

Angerer: Solid middle linebacker and vocal leader of defense - likely NFL bound

The only positions I see us coming even remotely close to replacing the talent lost above is at linebacker, center, and Rief might be able to step in nicely at one of the tackle positions. Either way you slice it though our offensive line will not be nearly what it was this year.

At Iowa you don't lose 5-6 almost guaranteed NFL players (3 of them Juniors) and then just reload like some other schools.

Plus we have depth issues at several areas with offensive line being the most glaring depth issue right now.

Rose Bowl is possible, but our schedule is definitely one of the toughest in the nation, and we have to get very lucky by avoiding the injury bug at DB and OL.
 
I agree,even with all this talent we got lucky in a few games this year.
I see replacing the O-line as being the biggest hurdle to get over.
I do believe however, that our D-line will keep us in any game and that we will have just enough O to get plenty of Ws next year..
 
I agree with much of this. I don't think we have a record as good as last year because our talent will undoubtedly be lower, but we do have an easier schedule, so that counts as something.

Some people here think Stanzi is going to turn into Joe Montana and Clayborn is going to have 50 sacks, and we will skate to 12 wins. Ain't gonna happen.
 
I agree with much of this. I don't think we have a record as good as last year because our talent will undoubtedly be lower, but we do have an easier schedule, so that counts as something.

Some people here think Stanzi is going to turn into Joe Montana and Clayborn is going to have 50 sacks, and we will skate to 12 wins. Ain't gonna happen.

Why is our talent going to be undoubtedly lower next season? Yeah we're losing several great players, but with the improvements players make in the off season and the return of a healthy Hampton and Bernstein, I think we will be more talented, especially at the skill positions.
 
Keep in mind in 2009 the O-line was constantly shuffling players and positions. I agree that the talent in 2010 will likely not be as good, however Dace missed about half of the season, Bulaga missed 3-4 games and played under his level for most of the season due to his condition, Calloway was suspended for a game, and Vandervelde was hurt in the summer and probably never played to expectations. Reiff was the only guy that came out of no were and over performed, and fortunately he's back.

The reality is that as a group, the O-line was not that dominant this past season. I think it's possible that if the 2010 line meets or exceeds their potential then they can be close in performance to the under performing 2009 group.

Same deal with Moeaki, great player, but he physically missed a good portion of the year, and he really only had 2-3 games where he was a factor in the passing game. It's impossible to quantify the value of his run blocking.

All the guys mentioned above are great players and will be missed, however Iowa is now closer to reloading each year than having to rebuild. The replacements of 4 year starters Mitch King and Matt Kroul are a good example of reloading.

I'm sure there will be at least 3-4 very close games and we won't win them all. My prediction is 10-2 next year.
 
Keep in mind in 2009 the O-line was constantly shuffling players and positions. I agree that the talent in 2010 will likely not be as good, however Dace missed about half of the season, Bulaga missed 3-4 games and played under his level for most of the season due to his condition, Calloway was suspended for a game, and Vandervelde was hurt in the summer and probably never played to expectations. Reiff was the only guy that came out of no were and over performed, and fortunately he's back.

The reality is that as a group, the O-line was not that dominant this past season. I think it's possible that if the 2010 line meets or exceeds their potential then they can be close in performance to the under performing 2009 group.

Same deal with Moeaki, great player, but he physically missed a good portion of the year, and he really only had 2-3 games where he was a factor in the passing game. It's impossible to quantify the value of his run blocking.

All the guys mentioned above are great players and will be missed, however Iowa is now closer to reloading each year than having to rebuild. The replacements of 4 year starters Mitch King and Matt Kroul are a good example of reloading.

I'm sure there will be at least 3-4 very close games and we won't win them all. My prediction is 10-2 next year.

While I see what the OP is saying here, I agree 100% with 78 on this one. Was there even one full game this year that everyone was blown away by a dominating OL performance? Sure, they definitely had good games or a dominating half here or there. I think KF will get the right guys in there and being able to build around Rieff is going to be great.

All those guys you stated are going to be missed, but it's not like we didn't play without them at times this past season. Keep in mind, our defense is going to be just as good as last year...and that means they will keep us in every single game. It's up to our offense to move the ball and score points. Rose Bowl or bust! j/k ;)
 
I agree that nothing is a given when you have to replace 4 outstanding o-lineman.
PSU was in that fix this year,and had a good year, but not against the top teams, OSU and Iowa, even at home.

now, that said, a good d-line,and a vet qb with vet WR's, and good rbs...can take you a long way...hopefully having home field edge is bigger this year..
 
Hawks78 Makes some good points..

Isn't Tarpinian likely to move to linebacker? He's a hitter, and I recall him making a couple plays when he came in, so there's really only one spot on defense that I'm worried about, cause Prater is certainly capable, and Bernstein is coming back.

Besides that, I never really worry about the o-line.
 
Every college team in America lose players. It's a part of college football.

Seems like in the Iowa program younger players emerge to help make a difference to keep it going.

Two examples of emerging players in 2009 are Adam Robinson and Riley Reiff. Who would have thought before the season these two players would make such significant contributions to the team.

Just like with Reiff and Robinson there will be new players emerging in 2010 to help make up for the losses and may very well end up as pleasant surprises.

Except for the offensive line I don't see a significant fall off. The key to the season (other than a rash of eligibility and health issues) will be how quickly the offensive line gels. If the offensive line can come together by the Penn State game I think another double digit win season is doable.
 
Every college team in America lose players. It's a part of college football.

Seems like in the Iowa program younger players emerge to help make a difference to keep it going.

The best thing about Iowa football is player development. KF's coaching staff takes good players and make them great.
 
Keep in mind in 2009 the O-line was constantly shuffling players and positions. I agree that the talent in 2010 will likely not be as good, however Dace missed about half of the season, Bulaga missed 3-4 games and played under his level for most of the season due to his condition, Calloway was suspended for a game, and Vandervelde was hurt in the summer and probably never played to expectations. Reiff was the only guy that came out of no were and over performed, and fortunately he's back.

The reality is that as a group, the O-line was not that dominant this past season. I think it's possible that if the 2010 line meets or exceeds their potential then they can be close in performance to the under performing 2009 group.

Same deal with Moeaki, great player, but he physically missed a good portion of the year, and he really only had 2-3 games where he was a factor in the passing game. It's impossible to quantify the value of his run blocking.

All the guys mentioned above are great players and will be missed, however Iowa is now closer to reloading each year than having to rebuild. The replacements of 4 year starters Mitch King and Matt Kroul are a good example of reloading.

I'm sure there will be at least 3-4 very close games and we won't win them all. My prediction is 10-2 next year.

Remember, that just because he didn't catch a ball or wasn't thrown to a lot doesn't mean he wasn't a factor. I'd go out on a limb and say that some of our misdirection underneath routes were open because Moeaki took all the attention of the linebackers.
 
Actually, I was expecting good things from Reilly Reiff after hearing Norm Parker just rave about the guy during a stand in appearance Norm did for KF during the bowl practice period of 2008. He flatly said that Reilly was going to be a great one,best since Gallery. I was taken aback by his praise, but I always thought Norm was a straight shooter and he singled out Reilly for this exceptional praise.
 
I agree with much of this. I don't think we have a record as good as last year because our talent will undoubtedly be lower, but we do have an easier schedule, so that counts as something.

Some people here think Stanzi is going to turn into Joe Montana and Clayborn is going to have 50 sacks, and we will skate to 12 wins. Ain't gonna happen.

Firstly, I agree that it is wise to have somewhat measured expectations concerning the 2010 season.

However, that said, here are a few counterpoints ....

- A common mistake to make is to assert that the prior talent is "better" while the more accurate statement is that the prior talent was likely "more refined." Of course, "more refined" tends to equate to better execution on the field ... and that tends to reap its own rewards.

- To follow up the prior point, I'm willing to bet that we only have an actual drop in "raw talent" at Richardson's OG spot. On the flip side, I'm willing to bet that the 2010 squad gets an upgrade of talent at C and RB spots.

- Another thing to recognize is that apart from the TR FR who are just entering the program ... every guy on the program is a year more experienced ... and will be able to use that experience and knowledge to refine their game. It is easy to marginalize Clayborn's ability to improve ... and yet look at how much guys like Suh, Schofield, and Graham improved from their JR to SR seasons! The fact of the matter is that if Clayborn steps up even more as a leader ... just as we anticipate he will ... he invariably will continue to elevate his game. Furthermore, there is more to the D than just Clayborn. If folks weren't paying attention ... Klug was mighty impressive despite being more than a little undersized, Ballard was not only solid in transitioning to DT but he came on so strong at the end of the season that Iowa fans would be wise to keep a close eye on him in '10, and lastly Binns had an even more impressive sophomore starting debut than EITHER Iwebema in '05 or Clayborn in '08! A take-home point here being that opposing Os will not only have to face an improved Clayborn in 2010 ... but they're going to have to face an improved entire defensive front!

- Not that I like using a Gopher example ... however, I urge folks to note the production of Minny's Triplett and Lawrence. Both guys were back-ups in 2008 and had the benefit of being first-year starters in 2009 ... playing behind a very veteran DL. Anyhow, both guys had great production and helped the Minnesota front 7 to be the strength of their D ... arguably the primary reason they managed to get bowl eligible in '09. Anyhow, I have no doubt in my mind that the group of Tarpinian (SR), Davis (JR), Johnson (SR), Nielsen (JR), and their FR back-ups bring more to the table than Minnesota's group. What's more ... they also benefit in having a better secondary playing behind them and a better DL playing in front of them!

- With Bernstine down prior to the '09 season, Iowa had legit concerns at CB. Spievey was obviously "the man" ... however, our experienced depth was rather limited. To be precise, not a single CB other than Spievey had starting experience. Now heading into the 2010 season, Prater, Lowe, and Castillo each have starts under their belts and Hyde and Bernstine are arguably good enough to be starters. Depth at CB is a luxury that we have rarely enjoyed in the Ferentz era ... and yet now we have it!

- Another mistake is the thinking that Stanzi has to make some quantum leap in order to have improved production. Rather, folks fail to see strategic factors that were counting against Stanzi in '09 that very well may not be present in '10.

1. I don't think that folks really appreciate that Stanzi had to deal with THREE starters on the OL being out for 2-a-days prior to the start of the season. That's a HUGE disadvantage!
2. Furthermore, Stanzi has to contend with the fact that 2 of his better WR targets, DJK and Sandeman, enter the season with hammy issues.
3. Of course, as we all know, rather than having experienced RBs powering our running game ... he had to contend with freshman RBs providing the running threat.
4. Were all that not enough ... our top TE, Moeaki, was injured early in the season and was never truly 100%!

Do folks truly appreciate the strategic disadvantage that Stanzi was contending with? Most opposing Ds were stacking the box ... and that had more to deal with the quality of the OL than the quality of the RBs. The RB threat wasn't even remotely near what it was with Greene ... and consequently that allowed (most) opposing Ds to both stack the box and still bracket off our TE. That then forced Stanzi to win most games with the WR-based passing game. And, to Stanzi's great credit ... every game that he both started and completed resulted in Hawkeye victories!

While many of the same things could possibly go awry in 2010 ... I'd like to think that the likelihood is rather remote. Even with a somewhat inexperienced OL ... the performance of the OL could actually end up surpassing that of the '09 OL if they remain healthy and enjoy good continuity! Imagine if Stanzi's top WRs were healthy from the get-go and the timing was great right from the outset! Lastly, can folks fathom how much safer the long pass becomes when the running game is a bigger threat? An opposing D simply CANNOT take away BOTH the run and the TE pass option and keep safety help over the top. Without safety help over the top, many of Stanzi's interceptions instead result in TDs or benign incompletions. Reciprocally, we know that Stanzi will continue to take shots down the field ... and so do the opposition. That then means that opposing Ds will have to choose their poison. Most likely they'll opt to shut down the run ... and that will open up the TE passing game. If they're foolish enough to defend the run with 6 or 7 man fronts ... then opposing Ds will get EATEN ALIVE after the Iowa OL gels. The recipe is simple ....
 
We just don't know a whole lot about 3/5th of the OL going into next year. We know Vandy, and we know Reiff, but we don't know the rest, including the center and a tackle. From my viewpoint of knowing nothing about those 3/5ths, my expectations are fairly in control because as goes the OL (and DL), as goes the team.
 
I agree,even with all this talent we got lucky in a few games this year.
I see replacing the O-line as being the biggest hurdle to get over.
I do believe however, that our D-line will keep us in any game and that we will have just enough O to get plenty of Ws next year..

I think it's funny when I hear our own fan base talk about how lucky we got last year. If you really look at it, I think we had much more bad luck that we did good luck.

We were unlucky to have our starting RB (who replaced the Doak Walker winner of '08) and CB go out with a season ending injury before the UNI game.

We were unlucky to have a number of injuries and illnesses (including the flu), especially on the offensive side of the ball. Our O-line, TE, WRs, RBs, QB were all hurt for a significant period of time. As well as a saftey, LB and CBs. Did any other top 10 teams have as many significant injuires?

We were unlucky that we had a brutal road schedule at some of the toughest places to play in the country.

We were unlucky that we had to face a hellish wind for 2 straight quarters against Indiana. Still we won by 18.

We were unlucky that the one player that we couldn't afford to lose was hurt in our 2 losses of the season.

My point is that this team overcame much more this season than a typical team has to overcome (ask Boise St). As great of a season as 2009 was, I don't think the team ever reached their full potential. I see them getting to that point in 2010.

I have HIGH expectations for next year, especially because all of the "contenders" have to come to Iowa City. But I am not blind to the fact that the Big 10 is going to be stacked next year and every game played will be a battle that we could lose. As long as you understand that I don't think their is any reason to curb expectations.
 
Thank you, Debbie Downer.

I am always curious why a fan (fanatic) should dial back their expectations or be "realistic" (pessimistic mostly). Just don't get so geared up that you become suicidal. It is a game after all.

Otherwise, go nuts. It is our U of I Hawkeyes!

I say undefeated. I said undefeated before last year. With our D, what game are we definitely not capable of being in the game?

Hope for no major injuries or anything, whcih can always change things around, but why predict that?

These posts always sound like my mom telling me not to get my hopes up. You might fail, die, be crushed emotionally. My dad would say, "Don't let them take your fun away. Beat them senseless. At the end of the day, don't say anything. Just go and get better."
 
imported_ankle -

While obviously only two spots are "locked down" ... I think that it's safe to say that Ferentz is a favorite at the C spot. And, even if Ferentz doesn't win the spot ... good enough things have been said about Koeppel and Boffeli that the quality of the C play will be more than adequate.

Thus, I'd claim that only 2/5th of the OL is truly a mystery going into the 2010 season. And, even then, I'm not all that worried about the quality of guys competing for the remaining 2 spots.

There will be experience issues early in the season ... but as the OL gels ... the OL play will get increasingly consistent.

We just don't know a whole lot about 3/5th of the OL going into next year. We know Vandy, and we know Reiff, but we don't know the rest, including the center and a tackle. From my viewpoint of knowing nothing about those 3/5ths, my expectations are fairly in control because as goes the OL (and DL), as goes the team.
 
imported_ankle -

While obviously only two spots are "locked down" ... I think that it's safe to say that Ferentz is a favorite at the C spot. And, even if Ferentz doesn't win the spot ... good enough things have been said about Koeppel and Boffeli that the quality of the C play will be more than adequate.

Thus, I'd claim that only 2/5th of the OL is truly a mystery going into the 2010 season. And, even then, I'm not all that worried about the quality of guys competing for the remaining 2 spots.

There will be experience issues early in the season ... but as the OL gels ... the OL play will get increasingly consistent.

how fast we forget about how crucial an experienced center is. I guess two straight years of good center play can do that. Ferentz and Bofelli haven't played a snap of a game and they are good enough to not be a concern? Wow.
 
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