Can anyone recall a KF starter

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lightning1

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that lost his job to an underclassman, that wasn't due to injury? I can think of Jake Christiansen. Anyone else? I'm curios because of the other thread where Pat Harty claims that KF doesn't play favorites. That discussion evolved into "once a guy earns a starting spot, he never loses it til he graduates".

Jake Christiansen
Herb Grigsby? Lord knows he dropped enough passes but I don't remember if he lost his job or didn't come back for his SR year.
There has to be more, right?
 
Too lazy to do the research, but I think this year there's a good chance that Perry &/or Jewell will move ahead of Alston and Spearman. Maybe not start, but will get more snaps.
 
Bob Sanders replaced someone in the middle of 2000, but I can't, for the life of me, remember who he replaced...
 
There have been many, many underclassmen that started over upperclassman. The list is too long to even start discussing.

Are you trying to ask what upperclassman started the year as a starter, then lost it midseason? That is a totally different question.
 
ICHawk24 said:
There have been many, many underclassmen that started over upperclassman. The list is too long to even start discussing.

Are you trying to ask what upperclassman started the year as a starter, then lost it midseason? That is a totally different question.
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Yea that's what he's saying. Or started the year before and lost it the next year would qualify. Mike Hardy did that this year. Binns got moved to the bench to make room for Mike Danials. That's all I've got.
 
FCAS said:
Too lazy to do the research, but I think this year there's a good chance that Perry &/or Jewell will move ahead of Alston and Spearman. Maybe not start, but will get more snaps.
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I don't think the Jewell over Spearman would count because Jewell was hurt at the beginning of the year otherwise he might have started anyway. If Perry replaces Alston I will be shocked but it would definitely be a huge argument against the OP's question.
 
These are the ones I remember off the top of my head:

1. Bob Sanders over ??? during the middle of 2000.
2. Fred Russell over Aaron Greving in 2002 causing Greving to quit the day before the Michigan game.
3. Ricky Stanzi over JC in 2008.
4. Nate Meier over Mike Hardy this year.
5. Matt Vandeberg/Riley McCarron over KMM for punt returner this year.
6. Dillon Kidd over Connor Kornbrath for punter this year.

That's about all I've got just going off memory.

I don't think the issue revolves so much around playing favorites or playing upperclassmen over underclassmen. I think the issue is that once a starter is "entrenched", the backups aren't getting as many snaps during the season as the starter because we are a developmental program and the starters still need a lot of reps. This leads to not having opportunities to show improvement to the coaching staff during the season, which then becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy of playing the guy that gives you the best chance to win because the other guys (backups) aren't getting enough reps to show that they can be a guy that can help you win. Unless there is just downright substandard play by a starter, the staff isn't going to look at other guys. So a starter will only lose his job from poor play, not because the guy below him shows enough improvement that they leapfrog the starter.
 
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Teavon Smith over Don shumpert

CJF over whoever the starting TE was at the time.

A-rob over Paki (I admit thats a stretch)

The list goes on and on.

Nico law actually started as a sophomore over someone else that started the first 8 games, then the next year lost his job to lowdermilk.

Tanner Miller started as a sophomore. Tyler sash started at the end of his freashman year
 
SpiderRico said:
These are the ones I remember off the top of my head:

1. Bob Sanders over ??? during the middle of 2000.
2. Fred Russell over Aaron Greving in 2002 causing Greving to quit the day before the Michigan game.
3. Ricky Stanzi over JC in 2008.
4. Nate Meier over Mike Hardy this year.
5. Matt Vandeberg/Riley McCarron over KMM for punt returner this year.
6. Dillon Kidd over Connor Kornbrath for punter this year.

That's about all I've got just going off memory.

I don't think the issue revolves so much around playing favorites or playing upperclassmen over underclassmen. I think the issue is that once a starter is "entrenched", the backups aren't getting as many snaps during the season as the starter because we are a developmental program and the starters still need a lot of reps. This leads to not having opportunities to show improvement to the coaching staff during the season, which then becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy of playing the guy that gives you the best chance to win because the other guys (backups) aren't getting enough reps to show that they can be a guy that can help you win. Unless there is just downright substandard play by a starter, the staff isn't going to look at other guys. So a starter will only lose his job from poor play, not because the guy below him shows enough improvement that they leapfrog the starter.
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Greving never started in 2002. He was injured, tried to come back a few games, decided to hang up the cleats.
 
Walk on senior Rob Bruggeman won the starting job over Rafael Eubanks in 2008. Eubanks started at center in 2006 & 2007 and 2009. Bruggeman was clearly the better center especially at run blocking.
 
Harold Dalton???? Decent run stopper, brutal in pass coverage.


can't remember if he got kicked off the team before or after Greenwood replaced him.
 
If I remember correctly, Mossbrucker over Murray. Then Murray got it back. I seem to recall a lot of hype over Mossbrucker, then he just disappeared into obscurity.
 
[QUOTE =Jonesy86;1338721]If I remember correctly, Mossbrucker over Murray. Then Murray got it back. I seem to recall a lot of hype over Mossbrucker, then he just disappeared into obscurity.[/QUOTE]

and then eventually in 2010
Walk-On Meyer took over for both Mossbrucker and murrey.
 
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I remember a LB back before Hodge and Greenwood. Maybe it was Ed Myles. Did he lose his starting job to big George? I think so. Then he started again as a senior....

Am I recalling that correctly?
 
didn't abdul hodge or chad greenway beat out a senior LB? hard to believe that was over 10 years ago
 
ICHawk24 said:
There have been many, many underclassmen that started over upperclassman. The list is too long to even start discussing.

Are you trying to ask what upperclassman started the year as a starter, then lost it midseason? That is a totally different question.
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An upperclassmen that lost their starting spot to an underclassmen, either mid season or between seasons.
 
AreWeThereYet said:
Walk on senior Rob Bruggeman won the starting job over Rafael Eubanks in 2008. Eubanks started at center in 2006 & 2007 and 2009. Bruggeman was clearly the better center especially at run blocking.
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I thought Eubanks got injured and Bruggeman came in and took over. Could be wrong.
 
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