activebadger
Banned
Oh snap, Wisconsin still higher than Iowa...........shocking.
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Section136
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The dreaded 5 seed again for Becky Badger.
DodgerHawki
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But I like our matchup better
Badgers have Southern Miss, and everyone knows Wisconsin shoots like 15% from the field against teams from Mississippi. I know you're trolling but you must admit it's a statement on the improvement in the Iowa program that Hawks would be included in a pre-season Bracketology. Of course, know you, you won't admit that.
nationalchamps
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He also has Michigan listed as a two seed LOL.....
Weren't you on here last week telling us preseason predictions mean nothing? Or am I confusing you with some other troll?
1hawkeye1
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activebadger
Banned
They don't mean anything. Nothing, zip. But if I'm going to put any stock into any preseason rankings it would be Ken Pomeroy first, Gasaway second and Lunardi 3rd. Most of the others are hacks or are still kids barely out of college.
activebadger
Banned
Yeah. 5 seed vs 7 seed 11 months in advance. Way to dominate.
Well history suggests that Wisconsin always finishes higher than where they were slotted initially.....
So why are you clogging up our board with this garbage? Have any data to back up Lunardi's preseason predictions being anywhere close to the final bracket?
1hawkeye1
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Congrats.
volhawk50
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What about last year? You were about 20th in the preseason rankings, then disappeared until January, and came back to on or below your preseason ranking.
WindsorHawk
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Inactive Rodent is getting desperate...usually just trolls existing threads. Now the matted fur ball is actually starting threads in an attempt to find some silver lining for next year's version of Bo's vermin.
activebadger
Banned
20th is where we were ranked prior to Gasser being put on the shelf for the season.
activebadger
Banned
You don't need a silver lining when you go to the NCAA tournament every year.
I like f---ing with you guys, good times.
JonDMiller
Publisher/Founder
Gassaway's 5 Teams to Make a Leap Next year, one of them Iowa: Granted, you can say this most seasons about the best Big Ten team that doesn't make the NCAA tournament, but it certainly applies here. Iowa was a good team trapped in a brutal conference in 2012-13. Fran McCaffery's men were excellent on defense but went 4-7 in conference games decided by single digits. Iowa could see an improvement in 2013-14 simply by repeating the same level of performance. I think it more likely, however, that the Hawkeyes will take a significant step forward in both performance and results.
And I'm sure you do like Pomeroy, since he openly admits his system over values Wisconsin every year
activebadger
Banned
Gassaway's 5 Teams to Make a Leap Next year, one of them Iowa: Granted, you can say this most seasons about the best Big Ten team that doesn't make the NCAA tournament, but it certainly applies here. Iowa was a good team trapped in a brutal conference in 2012-13. Fran McCaffery's men were excellent on defense but went 4-7 in conference games decided by single digits. Iowa could see an improvement in 2013-14 simply by repeating the same level of performance. I think it more likely, however, that the Hawkeyes will take a significant step forward in both performance and results.
And I'm sure you do like Pomeroy, since he openly admits his system over values Wisconsin every year
No, it's because Pomeroy has created a statistical analysis that has proven to be more accurate than anything out there.
You like to point out that tid bit at every chance regarding Wisconsin as it helps with your Napoleon complex regarding the Badger program. It appears Pomeroy is much smarter than everyone else in regards to Wisconsin as most national analysts rank us too low only to have egg on their face at the end of the year. As I'm imagining you will at the end of next season.....
activebadger
Banned
This was written by Gary Parrish in 2009, it's even more true now. I think you need to pay special attention to the words in bold Jon Miller.
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The Wisconsin Badgers moved into the Associated Press Top 25 this week.
Of course, they did.
I mean, that's what the Wisconsin Badgers do. Every season. And that's not hyperbole. The last time they weren't ranked at some point between November and April was the 2001-02 season, otherwise known as Bo Ryan's first year at the school. Still, Wisconsin finished tied for first in the Big Ten that season and advanced to the second round of the NCAA tournament. They've consistently been good/great ever since.
Consider the following:[SIZE=+1]•[/SIZE] Wisconsin has made the NCAA tournament in each of Ryan's eight seasons.
[SIZE=+1]•[/SIZE] Wisconsin has won three Big Ten regular-season titles and two tournament titles under Ryan. Those five titles are the most in the league over that span.
[SIZE=+1]•[/SIZE] Ryan has the best winning percentage in Big Ten history. (Bob Knight is second.)
[SIZE=+1]•[/SIZE] Wisconsin has the nation's fourth-best home record in Ryan's tenure.
[SIZE=+1]•[/SIZE] Wisconsin has never finished worse than fourth in the Big Ten under Ryan.
It is those facts -- combined with Wisconsin's 73-69 win over Duke last week -- that made me make a promise to myself, my readers and Wisconsin fans in general. It read: "I, Gary Parrish, swear on everything I own -- including my iPod, portable GPS and hundreds of thousands of Marriot points -- that I will never leave Wisconsin unranked in the preseason as long as Bo Ryan is coaching with his NCAA tournament streak intact. It'll never happen again. Never. Ever. There's no sense in annually being wrong about the same thing."
"Your comments are funnier than hell," Ryan said Monday by phone, and I told him I appreciated him saying that. But I also reminded him that I was dead serious, that I didn't care if all his players were beaten by their girlfriends with a golf club next October and thus sidelined four to six weeks, I was still ranking the Badgers in the preseason Top 25 (and one) under the assumption he would just figure something out.
Like he always does.
And it was on this note that I asked Ryan how he feels when people make comments like the ones I made, when people toss around words like "brilliant" and "genius" and "master" to describe him as a coach. It's meant as a compliment, obviously. But what people are really saying when they use those words is that they can't believe Ryan is winning big at this level with relatively average athletes.
Lately, people use those same words to describe Maryland's Gary Williams.
They talk about how he has been "doing more with less."
They talk about how he's a great "coach."
"Gary and I were talking over in Maui [last month at the Maui Invitational], and he says to me, 'You know ... we're kind of a different breed. We're kind of a dying breed in that absolutely, positively for sure, when we got into coaching in the late '60s/early '70s, it for sure wasn't for the money,'" Ryan said. "It's not that wanting to get a good paycheck is wrong. It's just that a lot of people are getting into coaching now thinking 'Look how much money I can make.' And as I walked away from Gary I thought, 'Well that's the only thing that saved a guy like me in this profession, is getting into it as a teacher in the classroom and on the court in junior high and high school."
I found that story interesting.
Enlightening, even.
Because one thing Ryan and Williams have in common -- besides birthdays in the 1940s -- is that they both began their celebrated careers as high school coaches, then worked their way up. In other words, they started their professions truly as teachers -- teachers of curriculum and basketball -- as opposed to recruiters or handlers. These days -- and I suspect this'll still somehow be the case even with new NCAA regulations -- the best way to break into college coaching is by connecting yourself to a prospect or many prospects, and the best way to advance up the coaching ladder is to carve out an identity as one of the nation's great recruiters. Few athletic directors are looking for great basketball minds. They're looking for great recruiters who can be the face of program, somebody who can get players and motivate boosters with public appearances.
Actually coaching basketball?
That's about 10 percent of the job at the high-major level.
And though I don't want to suggest being a good "coach" isn't important, what I am suggesting is that it's not nearly the prerequisite it was to being a college coach when Ryan and Williams decided they wanted to try to do this for a living. Back then, you might spend a Wednesday night chatting motion offense with a group at a bar, bouncing coaching ideas off each other. In 2009, an aspiring coach is more likely to spend a night at a bar with some prospect's summer coach, bouncing the pros and cons of Nike and Adidas contracts off each other. So when Williams told Ryan they were "kind of a dying breed," I think that's at least partly what he meant, that the next Gary Williams and Bo Ryan might be few and far between because a desire to teach and coach is no longer the issue that drives many into this profession, though that's precisely what drove Ryan into the profession.
That's why Williams called Ryan a "dying breed." That's why it shouldn't surprise you when Ryan's players improve over their careers. That's why it shouldn't surprise you when Ryan takes a roster with few household names and launches it into the Top 25 despite that same roster being picked by most to finish in the bottom half of the Big Ten.
Bottom line, don't ever be surprised again.
I know I won't.
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The Wisconsin Badgers moved into the Associated Press Top 25 this week.
Of course, they did.
I mean, that's what the Wisconsin Badgers do. Every season. And that's not hyperbole. The last time they weren't ranked at some point between November and April was the 2001-02 season, otherwise known as Bo Ryan's first year at the school. Still, Wisconsin finished tied for first in the Big Ten that season and advanced to the second round of the NCAA tournament. They've consistently been good/great ever since.
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| Bo Ryan uses every opportunity to teach his players. (Getty Images) |
[SIZE=+1]•[/SIZE] Wisconsin has won three Big Ten regular-season titles and two tournament titles under Ryan. Those five titles are the most in the league over that span.
[SIZE=+1]•[/SIZE] Ryan has the best winning percentage in Big Ten history. (Bob Knight is second.)
[SIZE=+1]•[/SIZE] Wisconsin has the nation's fourth-best home record in Ryan's tenure.
[SIZE=+1]•[/SIZE] Wisconsin has never finished worse than fourth in the Big Ten under Ryan.
It is those facts -- combined with Wisconsin's 73-69 win over Duke last week -- that made me make a promise to myself, my readers and Wisconsin fans in general. It read: "I, Gary Parrish, swear on everything I own -- including my iPod, portable GPS and hundreds of thousands of Marriot points -- that I will never leave Wisconsin unranked in the preseason as long as Bo Ryan is coaching with his NCAA tournament streak intact. It'll never happen again. Never. Ever. There's no sense in annually being wrong about the same thing."
"Your comments are funnier than hell," Ryan said Monday by phone, and I told him I appreciated him saying that. But I also reminded him that I was dead serious, that I didn't care if all his players were beaten by their girlfriends with a golf club next October and thus sidelined four to six weeks, I was still ranking the Badgers in the preseason Top 25 (and one) under the assumption he would just figure something out.
Like he always does.
And it was on this note that I asked Ryan how he feels when people make comments like the ones I made, when people toss around words like "brilliant" and "genius" and "master" to describe him as a coach. It's meant as a compliment, obviously. But what people are really saying when they use those words is that they can't believe Ryan is winning big at this level with relatively average athletes.
Lately, people use those same words to describe Maryland's Gary Williams.
They talk about how he has been "doing more with less."
They talk about how he's a great "coach."
"Gary and I were talking over in Maui [last month at the Maui Invitational], and he says to me, 'You know ... we're kind of a different breed. We're kind of a dying breed in that absolutely, positively for sure, when we got into coaching in the late '60s/early '70s, it for sure wasn't for the money,'" Ryan said. "It's not that wanting to get a good paycheck is wrong. It's just that a lot of people are getting into coaching now thinking 'Look how much money I can make.' And as I walked away from Gary I thought, 'Well that's the only thing that saved a guy like me in this profession, is getting into it as a teacher in the classroom and on the court in junior high and high school."
I found that story interesting.
Enlightening, even.
| More Wisconsin links |
| Badgers enter AP Top 25 Hughes leads team in scoring |
Because one thing Ryan and Williams have in common -- besides birthdays in the 1940s -- is that they both began their celebrated careers as high school coaches, then worked their way up. In other words, they started their professions truly as teachers -- teachers of curriculum and basketball -- as opposed to recruiters or handlers. These days -- and I suspect this'll still somehow be the case even with new NCAA regulations -- the best way to break into college coaching is by connecting yourself to a prospect or many prospects, and the best way to advance up the coaching ladder is to carve out an identity as one of the nation's great recruiters. Few athletic directors are looking for great basketball minds. They're looking for great recruiters who can be the face of program, somebody who can get players and motivate boosters with public appearances.
Actually coaching basketball?
That's about 10 percent of the job at the high-major level.
And though I don't want to suggest being a good "coach" isn't important, what I am suggesting is that it's not nearly the prerequisite it was to being a college coach when Ryan and Williams decided they wanted to try to do this for a living. Back then, you might spend a Wednesday night chatting motion offense with a group at a bar, bouncing coaching ideas off each other. In 2009, an aspiring coach is more likely to spend a night at a bar with some prospect's summer coach, bouncing the pros and cons of Nike and Adidas contracts off each other. So when Williams told Ryan they were "kind of a dying breed," I think that's at least partly what he meant, that the next Gary Williams and Bo Ryan might be few and far between because a desire to teach and coach is no longer the issue that drives many into this profession, though that's precisely what drove Ryan into the profession.
That's why Williams called Ryan a "dying breed." That's why it shouldn't surprise you when Ryan's players improve over their careers. That's why it shouldn't surprise you when Ryan takes a roster with few household names and launches it into the Top 25 despite that same roster being picked by most to finish in the bottom half of the Big Ten.
Bottom line, don't ever be surprised again.
I know I won't.
Egg on their face? Like when Wisconsin lost in the first round of the NCAA tourney and you hid like a coward and pretended that you didn't predict multiple times that Wisconsin would make a deep run in the tourney.
Yeah, got it.
JonDMiller
Publisher/Founder
AB, you are worth the price of admission today. Very entertaining.
