Baseball Trade Idea

thejumper5

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I came up with this idea and was wondering what you thought. With all the issues that Hanley Ramirez is having in Florida and the drama lately, what would you think of a Hanley Ramirez-Starlin Castro trade. Ramirez would be a great pickup for the Cubs and could anchor the infield for 6-10 years, making Castro expendable. The Marlins would get a high quality young player with big league experience that could step in at SS now and in the future.
I like this trade from both teams' perspectives, especially if the issues with Ramirez in Florida are actually as big as they seem.
 
I'm not gonna sign off on this at this point. If, at the trade deadline, we are still in the mix, then this would be viable. You might want to take a look at the contracts too. I doubt Castro is getting paid much, which is quite an amazing for the Chicago Overpayers errr Cubs...
 
Ramirez is one of the top 5 players in baseball and only 25, if the Marlins offer make that trade, the Cubs should take it in a second.
 
The Marlins arent trading their best player who also happens to be very young. ESPN reported he was going to apologize to his coach and teammates and i predict within 48 hours he will be hugging his coach and they will be singing kumbaya

Trading unproven players for a top 5-10 player in all of baseball never happens
 
Only a cubs fan would be so delirious to even think that a team would trade their cornerstone player and a top 3 player for a guy like that. If the cubs throw in 2 more players then you might be onto something. what a joke to even think that.
 
Only a cubs fan would be so delirious to even think that a team would trade their cornerstone player and a top 3 player for a guy like that. If the cubs throw in 2 more players then you might be onto something. what a joke to even think that.

Their cornerstone player takes up 25% of the payroll for a team that hates spending money, is (apparently) strongly disliked by most of his teammates, and (according to SI) acts very immaturely even for a 26 year old. Castro is widely considered a top-2/3 prospect at shortstop and has proven that he is big league ready right now. If the Marlins found that Ramirez was too much of a headache to keep, the Cubs would provide a sound option, though I do believe other teams would offer more for him.
 
Only a cubs fan would be so delirious to even think that a team would trade their cornerstone player and a top 3 player for a guy like that. If the cubs throw in 2 more players then you might be onto something. what a joke to even think that.

In case you didnt know the Cubs have the ability to trade for and/or sign any player who might be available. Case in point - those Cubs fans who have already penciled in Adrian Gonzalez as the starting 1B for 2011

The Cubs have some serious salary issues that will hinder them from doing much until that is addressed
 
Castro is widely considered a top-2/3 prospect at shortstop and has proven that he is big league ready right now.

I think clubs would like to see a larger sample size than 2 weeks of games before declaring somebody "big league ready".
 
Their cornerstone player takes up 25% of the payroll for a team that hates spending money, is (apparently) strongly disliked by most of his teammates, and (according to SI) acts very immaturely even for a 26 year old. Castro is widely considered a top-2/3 prospect at shortstop and has proven that he is big league ready right now. If the Marlins found that Ramirez was too much of a headache to keep, the Cubs would provide a sound option, though I do believe other teams would offer more for him.

And you want this guy on the Cub's roster? lol
 
And you want this guy on the Cub's roster? lol

Exactly. Sounds like another Milton Bradley situation. Plus as BUS said, look at the salary cap. The cubs are in deep until Fuk, and Rammy's contracts run out after next year. Then they still have Soriano signed for another 20 years. I know D-Lee is probably done at the end of the year, but unless they can make a trade of another big contract, I don't see how they can sign Gonzalez, especially after Howard's deal, and Pujol's probably bigger deal.

Not to mention Lilly's getting close to the end of his deal, and I think the Cubs would like to resign him.

Too many big contracts to entertain any more big time players coming in without some more changes to the current roster.
 
Only a cubs fan would be so delirious to even think that a team would trade their cornerstone player and a top 3 player for a guy like that. If the cubs throw in 2 more players then you might be onto something. what a joke to even think that.

Most teams would not consider trading a Hanley Ramirez, but this is the Marlins we are talking about and as jumper stated he makes a huge chunk of their whole team salary. The Marlins have made a living trading expensive good players for even younger and lots cheaper alternatives, and they have been competitive doing it, they are in the wild card discussion late in the season every year. Now I dont think this trade is going to happen, and the Cubs would have to sweeten the pot with somebody like Cashner or Jay Jackson or somebody like that. I think in the end the Cubs like Castro too much to trade him and Hanleys motivation has come into question many times with what few Marlins fans there are.
 
I am going to be in the minority here. I think the Cubs need to hold on to Castro. Cubs have let to many young players go over the years on bad trades.
 
I am going to be in the minority here. I think the Cubs need to hold on to Castro. Cubs have let to many young players go over the years on bad trades.

I think you are actually in the majority of Cubs fans that understand the game and the payroll. It has been such a long time since the cubs have had a successful position player come through the ranks (except Soto, and not a pitcher) that we have forgotten what the value of a small contract young kid that can play. We need these young guys and need more of them. Fewer big contracts to aging players.
 
Castro hasn't even proven himself yet, Ramirez has about ten years to play and is one of the best in the game. If the Marlins want to get rid of him, they have better options to chose from than Castro. The Cubs may think it's a good trade, but when other teams get involved they will realize Castro isn't enough to get Ramirez.
 
I would argue that Castro would be the best fit, even though the Cubs would never go for it. The marlins get a solid young player that is only going to get better and better. And they dump another huge contract. The cubs can't afford to take on another contract as they have too much invested for way way too long.

If this trade occurs Hendry won't be working for the cubs anymore. Ricketts family has set their budget for the cubs and they are there (and then some). Unless they could dump a high paid player as well. This would never happen.
 
I would argue that Castro would be the best fit, even though the Cubs would never go for it. The marlins get a solid young player that is only going to get better and better. And they dump another huge contract. The cubs can't afford to take on another contract as they have too much invested for way way too long.

If this trade occurs Hendry won't be working for the cubs anymore. Ricketts family has set their budget for the cubs and they are there (and then some). Unless they could dump a high paid player as well. This would never happen.


The main reason it would not happen is because the Marlins would get alot better offers.
 
The main reason it would not happen is because the Marlins would get alot better offers.

I'm not so sure about that, depending on what you consider better. Most other teams would offer an equal value player and maybe a prospect? That doesn't get the Marlins, who are known for dumping contracts when the player gets to that level for younger guys, exactly what they want.

If the cubs were interested they would have to give Castro and probably another solid prospect like Colvin or a pitching prospect. That would really benefit the Marlins, and I don't think there would be a better offer in their minds. You're not going to get Andrus from Texas or Tulowitzki (expensive anyway).

This would be a good deal for the Marlins. NOT the Cubs.
 
I am going to be in the minority here. I think the Cubs need to hold on to Castro. Cubs have let to many young players go over the years on bad trades.

Quite the converse. Over the years, the trading away of Lou Brock is more than offset by getting young guys like Don Cardwell, Fergie Jenkins, Adolpho Phillips, Bobby Dernier, Ryne Sandberg, Keith Moreland--and that is just from trades with one team.

Closer to the truth would be the conclusion that the Cubs have had a poor farm system for years (except for the Dallas Green era in the 1980s) and for twenty long years did not produce a position player of stature--as evident from the lineup Theriot an average defensive infielder without power, Fontenot a decent utility infielder at best, Soto looking more & more like a one-year wonder, with below average defense, Colvin who should be getting at least a year of Triple A experience, and the first potential All-Star out of the system in twenty years--Starlin Castro--who hasn't been around the league once yet: the Cubs are a team that has lived, swim or sink, and mostly the latter, by trades and free agent signings--Lee, Ramirez, Fukadome, Soriano, Baker, Byrd, Bradley, Reed Johnson, Jim Edmonds, DeRosa, Michael Barrett, Jacques Jones, & all those others on & off the constantly moving carousel.

Even a parade of acquired pitchers--Dempster, Lilly, Silva, Jason Marquis, Lieber, Howry, Eyre, Gregg, Grabow, Gorzelany Rich Harden, Heilman, Maddux back as a costly free agent, and on & on. And this despite the only thing the Cub system could do for twenty years was develop pitchers...Prior, Wood, Zambrano, Marmol, Marshall, Dontrelle Willis, Ricky Nolascco come first to mind.

On the other hand, consider the long, long list of "prospects" that excited the Cubbie fan base and were held on to for much, much too long by Hendry (understandable to some extent, the desire to have a homegrown star in the everyday lineup). All the long, long list of hyped kids who a more astute organization would have packaged for established players--Felix Pie, Eric Patterson, Dave Kelton, Hee Seop Choi, Sean Gallagher, Rich Hill, Bobby Hill, Billy Petrick, Kevin Hart, Samardzica, Ronny Cedeno, Angel Guzman, Juan Cruz, Nik Jackson, and on & on goes the list of modestly talented young players the Cub front-office over-hyped and who Cub fans invested their emotions in.

A major reason why the Cubbie future is still bleak after 72 years without a real (non-wartime) pennant is that it seems to believe its own hype, holds on to "AAAA players" that the smart, well-run MLB organizations dump on unsuspecting General Managers in both leagues before they fail rather than after their shortcomings are obvious to everyone, even Jim Hendry.

Too much of the time the gullibility of Cub fans makes their relationship to Hendry & the team's ownership/management far to similar to Charlie Brown's willingness t believe Lucy won't pull the football back this time.

They still believe the hype: like the assumption above that the Marlins would be interested in an unproven rookie who at this time a year ago was struggling to get his average up to .250 in the Class A Florida State League.

Why on earth would anyone think the Marlins with an outfield of HR power Ross, Rookie of the year Coughlin, and highly touted Maybin would consider trading arguably the best shortstop in baseball for Colvin--especially when they have the problem of making a place in the lineup soon for the top OF prospect in all of baseball, 20 year old Mike Stanton.

But Colvin is an excellent example of the typical player Hendry holds on to too long. Package and trade him now, yes--but don't expect him to bring an everyday regular or a #4 starting pitcher EXCEPT as part of a package where his low salary accompanies a high priced player like Zambrano or Fukadome or Ramirez as part of the Cubbie massive remake of the lineup of a high budgeted team on the decline. Now whether the new ownership is too inexperienced or too naive to understand that the remake begins with replacing Hendry...good question.
 
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Quite the converse. Over the years, the trading away of Lou Brock is more than offset by getting young guys like Don Cardwell, Fergie Jenkins, Adolpho Phillips, Bobby Dernier, Ryne Sandberg, Keith Moreland--and that is just from trades with one team.

Closer to the truth would be the conclusion that the Cubs have had a poor farm system for years (except for the Dallas Green era in the 1980s) and for twenty long years did not produce a position player of stature--as evident from the lineup Theriot an average defensive infielder without power, Fontenot a decent utility infielder at best, Soto looking more & more like a one-year wonder, with below average defense, Colvin who should be getting at least a year of Triple A experience, and the first potential All-Star out of the system in twenty years--Starlin Castro--who hasn't been around the league once yet: the Cubs are a team that has lived, swim or sink, and mostly the latter, by trades and free agent signings--Lee, Ramirez, Fukadome, Soriano, Baker, Byrd, Bradley, Reed Johnson, Jim Edmonds, DeRosa, Michael Barrett, Jacques Jones, & all those others on & off the constantly moving carousel.

Even a parade of acquired pitchers--Dempster, Lilly, Silva, Jason Marquis, Lieber, Howry, Eyre, Gregg, Grabow, Gorzelany Rich Harden, Heilman, Maddux back as a costly free agent, and on & on. And this despite the only thing the Cub system could do for twenty years was develop pitchers...Prior, Wood, Zambrano, Marmol, Marshall, Dontrelle Willis, Ricky Nolascco come first to mind.

On the other hand, consider the long, long list of "prospects" that excited the Cubbie fan base and were held on to for much, much too long by Hendry (understandable to some extent, the desire to have a homegrown star in the everyday lineup). All the long, long list of hyped kids who a more astute organization would have packaged for established players--Felie Pie, Eric Patterson, Dave Kelton, Hee Seop Choi, Sean Gallagher, Rich Hill, Bobby Hill, Billy Petrick, Kevin Hart, Samardzica, Ronny Cedeno, Angel Guzman, Juan Cruz, Nik Jackson, and on & on goes the list of modestly talented young players the Cub front-office ove-hyped and who Cub fans invested their emotions in.

A major reason why the Cubbie future is still bleak after 72 years without a real (non-wartime) pennant is that it seems to believe its own hype, holds on to "AAAA players" that the smart, well-run MLB organizations dump on unsupecting General Managers in both leagues before they fail rather than after their shortcomings are obvious to everyone, even Jim Hendry.izations


Agree with you, and a lot of that was due to poor drafting. Now the cubs are taking more chances on younger guys that are less proven (Castro and Lee) when signing, and hitting up the latin market and Japanese market.

A major reason the cubs farm system was bad, was because they depleted it (before the prospects were big time, most of the time) to make the big trade. And that was ok, because we they had experienced veterans on the field.

I would love to see some younger guys play (with smaller contracts) and have Hendry and the cubs go after a great free agent that can make a difference, like a Texiera or a Sabathia, but not sign one every year. There needs to be a balance. Currently 5 of 8 starting positions are high priced FA signings (cept Theriot, Castro, and Soto). Colvin isn't even getting a chance to play an I think he could do better than Sori and Fuk.

The Cubs are committed to those guys in big ways. I think the Cubs are finally re-establishing their farm system and you'll hear a lot more about successful guys coming up in the future. Now, if we can just limit Hendry and his FA spending.
 
Quite the converse. Over the years, the trading away of Lou Brock is more than offset by getting young guys like Don Cardwell, Fergie Jenkins, Adolpho Phillips, Bobby Dernier, Ryne Sandberg, Keith Moreland--and that is just from trades with one team.

Closer to the truth would be the conclusion that the Cubs have had a poor farm system for years (except for the Dallas Green era in the 1980s) and for twenty long years did not produce a position player of stature--as evident from the lineup Theriot an average defensive infielder without power, Fontenot a decent utility infielder at best, Soto looking more & more like a one-year wonder, with below average defense, Colvin who should be getting at least a year of Triple A experience, and the first potential All-Star out of the system in twenty years--Starlin Castro--who hasn't been around the league once yet: the Cubs are a team that has lived, swim or sink, and mostly the latter, by trades and free agent signings--Lee, Ramirez, Fukadome, Soriano, Baker, Byrd, Bradley, Reed Johnson, Jim Edmonds, DeRosa, Michael Barrett, Jacques Jones, & all those others on & off the constantly moving carousel.

Even a parade of acquired pitchers--Dempster, Lilly, Silva, Jason Marquis, Lieber, Howry, Eyre, Gregg, Grabow, Gorzelany Rich Harden, Heilman, Maddux back as a costly free agent, and on & on. And this despite the only thing the Cub system could do for twenty years was develop pitchers...Prior, Wood, Zambrano, Marmol, Marshall, Dontrelle Willis, Ricky Nolascco come first to mind.

On the other hand, consider the long, long list of "prospects" that excited the Cubbie fan base and were held on to for much, much too long by Hendry (understandable to some extent, the desire to have a homegrown star in the everyday lineup). All the long, long list of hyped kids who a more astute organization would have packaged for established players--Felix Pie, Eric Patterson, Dave Kelton, Hee Seop Choi, Sean Gallagher, Rich Hill, Bobby Hill, Billy Petrick, Kevin Hart, Samardzica, Ronny Cedeno, Angel Guzman, Juan Cruz, Nik Jackson, and on & on goes the list of modestly talented young players the Cub front-office over-hyped and who Cub fans invested their emotions in.

A major reason why the Cubbie future is still bleak after 72 years without a real (non-wartime) pennant is that it seems to believe its own hype, holds on to "AAAA players" that the smart, well-run MLB organizations dump on unsuspecting General Managers in both leagues before they fail rather than after their shortcomings are obvious to everyone, even Jim Hendry.

Too much of the time the gullibility of Cub fans makes their relationship to Hendry & the team's ownership/management far to similar to Charlie Brown's willingness t believe Lucy won't pull the football back this time.

They still believe the hype: like the assumption above that the Marlins would be interested in an unproven rookie who at this time a year ago was struggling to get his average up to .250 in the Class A Florida State League.

Why on earth would anyone think the Marlins with an outfield of HR power Ross, Rookie of the year Coughlin, and highly touted Maybin would consider trading arguably the best shortstop in baseball for Colvin--especially when they have the problem of making a place in the lineup soon for the top OF prospect in all of baseball, 20 year old Mike Stanton.

But Colvin is an excellent example of the typical player Hendry holds on to too long. Package and trade him now, yes--but don't expect him to bring an everyday regular or a #4 starting pitcher EXCEPT as part of a package where his low salary accompanies a high priced player like Zambrano or Fukadome or Ramirez as part of the Cubbie massive remake of the lineup of a high budgeted team on the decline. Now whether the new ownership is too inexperienced or too naive to understand that the remake begins with replacing Hendry...good question.

Excellent, if not long winded, post.
 

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