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Why can't the baseball writers of America realize that there was a period when the far majority of Major League players were juicing? Barry Bonds was hitting home runs off 100 MPH fast balls whose speed was enhanced by chemistry. Roger Clemons was pitching to pharmaceutical using hitters. Baseball writers are a funny breed as they voted Ryan Braun as the MVP last year when he juiced more than Jack Lalanne.

Baseball's writers can go home tonight and be happy that they kept the Hall of Fame "pure". Then they can celebrate by popping a Viagra before their wives say, "batter up"!
 
How about Jack Morris? 254 career wins and still only 67-68% of the vote???

Honestly don't care one way or the other about the juicers like Bonds, Clemons, etc. I do understand why the Hall wants to keep them out. They get made fun a lot as it is. If they let in known cheaters, they lose all credibility, what little left they have.
 
Morning guys on KXNO reminded me of something today: it is a Hall of FAME, not a hall of morals.

Is Barry Bonds famous? Yes! Put him in the Hall of Fame. Put Pete Rose in there, too.

These guys aren't being canonized for sainthood. They get a spot in a museum about baseball, a sport that is losing popularity. Sheesh.
 
Palpatine said:
Morning guys on KXNO reminded me of something today: it is a Hall of FAME, not a hall of morals.

Is Barry Bonds famous? Yes! Put him in the Hall of Fame. Put Pete Rose in there, too.

These guys aren't being canonized for sainthood. They get a spot in a museum about baseball, a sport that is losing popularity. Sheesh.
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Idk if I'm more impressed that you listen to travis and tim or that they were actually talking sports and had a valid point.
 
doesn't matter ... after what they did to Ron Santo, I don't care if the place burns down ... f the HOF
 
It is a crime to not have both Biggio and Bagwell in the HoF. Biggio put up some of the best numbers at 2nd base of all time and finished with over 3000 hits and Bagwells numbers speak for themselves.

Next year will have a really good class with Maddux, Glavine, and Frank Thomas all coming eligible.
 
ssckelley said:
It is a crime to not have both Biggio and Bagwell in the HoF. Biggio put up some of the best numbers at 2nd base of all time and finished with over 3000 hits and Bagwells numbers speak for themselves.

Next year will have a really good class with Maddux, Glavine, and Frank Thomas all coming eligible.
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Biggs also holds the record for most HBP. I was at Coors the day he broke that. That's a special record.
 
Biggio will be in... just not a first ballot.

If you read the criteria for election:

#5 reads: Voting: Voting shall be based upon the player's record, playing ability, integrity, sportsmanship, character, and contributions to the team(s) on which the player played.​

A lot of voters disqualified most of this class based on these three... some day down the road, the younger writers will eventually cave and allow the cheaters in. Sadly....
 
twinlaker said:
some day down the road, the younger writers will eventually cave and allow the cheaters in. Sadly....
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I sure hope not.

Could you imagine Sosa's acceptance speech? But it would be interesting to see if he needed a translator that day or not.
 
twinlaker said:
Biggio will be in... just not a first ballot.

If you read the criteria for election:

#5 reads: Voting: Voting shall be based upon the player's record, playing ability, integrity, sportsmanship, character, and contributions to the team(s) on which the player played.​

A lot of voters disqualified most of this class based on these three... some day down the road, the younger writers will eventually cave and allow the cheaters in. Sadly....
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That Ty Cobb was a beacon of character.

What a crock of ****
 
Clark said:
That Ty Cobb was a beacon of character.

What a crock of ****
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Not to mention the drunks like Mickey Mantle and Babe Ruth.

However, after the passage of time, younger voters may allow all the steroid era great players in the HOF. One example: yesterday Bill Clinton was voted father of the year. It seeems like just yesterday that little Monica was crawling around the Oval Office on her hands and knees.

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2013/01/father-of-the-year.php
 
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Put them all in and mark the steroid era...give it its own section and hold it up as an example instead of trying to bury it. Those who were known users can be marked as such, suspected users can be marked as such as well and even mention that guys like Biggio or Maddux weren't suspected, but played in the era, if you want to. I'm just not sold that "keeping them all out" is a better option than "letting them all in"...
 
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twinlaker said:
Biggio will be in... just not a first ballot.

If you read the criteria for election:

#5 reads: Voting: Voting shall be based upon the player's record, playing ability, integrity, sportsmanship, character, and contributions to the team(s) on which the player played.​

A lot of voters disqualified most of this class based on these three... some day down the road, the younger writers will eventually cave and allow the cheaters in. Sadly....
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Here is the problem with the "criteria."

When every sport was implementing drug testing MLB did nothing, how does anyone know when the "Steroid Era" began? I am willing to bet that there are players that played who were off the radar because it wasn't a topic at the time. It is ignorant to believe that Jose Canseco and Mark McGwire started this whole thing and that from that point in baseball history is where steroids became prevalent.

If integrity, sportsmanship and character are deciding factors, Ricky Henderson never gets in and the example of some of the older players hit home as well. Drugs and alcohol ruled the good ole boy club in MLB for a long time, it is funny Dennis Eckersly (sp?) is someone that speaks out when he was a flat out drunk.

MLB has been behind the times when it has come to any drug policies, but yet they have the audacity to take the "holier than thou" approach when it comes to PED's, who cares about the guys who were in trouble with law enforcement for illegal drugs or alcohol. Character and integrity don't matter if you played well not in the steroid era of baseball. The policies that MLB didn't put in place is what allowed these issues to happen to begin with, it is their own fault.

The BBWA amazes me year in and year out of who isn't in the HOF and some that are. It is going to be difficult for modern day pitchers to get in if 300 wins is going to be the benchmark with the 5-man rotations and the way bullpens are used. Jack Morris was on some awful teams, so that is taken out against him by the writers and makes absolutely no sense. There are so many benchmarks that just don't make sense to me.
 
twinlaker said:
Biggio will be in... just not a first ballot.

If you read the criteria for election:

#5 reads: Voting: Voting shall be based upon the player's record, playing ability, integrity, sportsmanship, character, and contributions to the team(s) on which the player played.​

A lot of voters disqualified most of this class based on these three... some day down the road, the younger writers will eventually cave and allow the cheaters in. Sadly....
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LoL there are so many guys in the HOF right now that don't even come close to meeting those 3 things not sure why all of a sudden then need to start enforcing it.
 
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