And you think Iowa has fallen

longtimer

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Michigan State goes down to Illinois for 7th straight loss 3-6 in the Big Ten! So who saw that coming? And Notre Dame goes down and is 3-6! Its tough to stay up there year after year!
 
Do you guys remember when Norm Parker was in his last year and we were playing Michigan State, and the announcers went into detail about how both guys knew Norm Parker and were close to him for a long time. Then the announcers tell us that Norm thought they were both basically the same guy? Like the exact same personalities? The same lack of ego?
 
I agree that it's difficult to remain a top contender every year, and I don't think anyone here expects that. Programs inevitably have years where they need to rebuild and start from zero. But when you bring back a stud quarterback, an All-American Thorpe winning cornerback, a tandem backfield capable of burning defenders, a solid defensive line, and pride yourself on your abilities as an "offensive line guru," you should "stay up there." It's simply a logical fallacy to make the argument that Iowa's let downs this year are somehow absolved, lessened, or justified because of Notre Dame and Michigan State. There are so many microvariables that influence the performance of a team, such as the players they have returning, the way the schedule lines up, and hell, even the way the ball bounces. The fact that Notre Dame and MSU are having suboptimal seasons doesn't bear any relationship to the fact that Iowa shouldn't have lost to an FCS team at home and a bottom-feeding B1G team at home.
 
Michigan State goes down to Illinois for 7th straight loss 3-6 in the Big Ten! So who saw that coming? And Notre Dame goes down and is 3-6! Its tough to stay up there year after year!

Let's hold off until we actually beat Illinois. which is not a given unless the offense decides to start scoring touchdowns.

We have no bigger wins than MSU does at this point, and losing to Illinois is no worse than losing to NDSU.

A win tonight would help a lot.
 
What? I thought all we needed was 4* recruits and we would be automatic winners!

ND 55 (4* or 5*) players signed from '13-'16
MSU
Let's hold off until we actually beat Illinois. which is not a given unless the offense decides to start scoring touchdowns.

We have no bigger wins than MSU does at this point, and losing to Illinois is no worse than losing to NDSU.

A win tonight would help a lot.

MSU has lost to Maryland, Illinois, and Indiana.......MSU has beaten a joke of a ND team and freaking Furman. They are bad, really, really bad. NDSU probably beats MSU by 2 TD.
 
What? I thought all we needed was 4* recruits and we would be automatic winners!

ND 55 (4* or 5*) players signed from '13-'16
MSU


MSU has lost to Maryland, Illinois, and Indiana.......MSU has beaten a joke of a ND team and freaking Furman. They are bad, really, really bad. NDSU probably beats MSU by 2 TD.

Again, you're dramatically oversimplifying and mischaracterizing the argument of 90% of "anti-Ferentz" posters. No one is making the simplistic argument that "omg Iowa + 4* recruits = national champions!!!" I am perfectly comfortable with Ferentz targeting two star recruits on a year-to-year basis. But when you have a four star committed, don't lose him like an amateur coaching staff and hurt the program in the process. I'm sure that even the apologists can concede that a four star might benefit the team. And if you're going to bank on two star-esque recruits, then don't have them regress. Develop the recruits throughout their careers at Iowa, and make choices that maximize their abilities and talents. That's the problem.
 
Again, you're dramatically oversimplifying and mischaracterizing the argument of 90% of "anti-Ferentz" posters. No one is making the simplistic argument that "omg Iowa + 4* recruits = national champions!!!" I am perfectly comfortable with Ferentz targeting two star recruits on a year-to-year basis. But when you have a four star committed, don't lose him like an amateur coaching staff and hurt the program in the process. I'm sure that even the apologists can concede that a four star might benefit the team. And if you're going to bank on two star-esque recruits, then don't have them regress. Develop the recruits throughout their careers at Iowa, and make choices that maximize their abilities and talents. That's the problem.

You're comfortable with our coach targeting 2* recruits year after year? Don't set your sights too high. Wow..
 
You're comfortable with our coach targeting 2* recruits year after year? Don't set your sights too high. Wow..

lol never said "exclusively" target 2 star recruits. If 2 star recruits fit a successful scheme, then fine. Targeting 2* recruits doesn't mean you CAN'T target other recruits, not sure if you're aware of that. doesn't sound like you are, might want to inform yourself better
 
What? I thought all we needed was 4* recruits and we would be automatic winners!

ND 55 (4* or 5*) players signed from '13-'16
MSU

MSU has lost to Maryland, Illinois, and Indiana.......MSU has beaten a joke of a ND team and freaking Furman. They are bad, really, really bad. NDSU probably beats MSU by 2 TD.

Fair enough. I just want to beat Illinois before ragging to hard on a team for losing to them. We are slightly worse QB play from being MSU.

A win tonight helps things a lot.
 
I agree that it's difficult to remain a top contender every year, and I don't think anyone here expects that. Programs inevitably have years where they need to rebuild and start from zero. But when you bring back a stud quarterback, an All-American Thorpe winning cornerback, a tandem backfield capable of burning defenders, a solid defensive line, and pride yourself on your abilities as an "offensive line guru," you should "stay up there." It's simply a logical fallacy to make the argument that Iowa's let downs this year are somehow absolved, lessened, or justified because of Notre Dame and Michigan State. There are so many microvariables that influence the performance of a team, such as the players they have returning, the way the schedule lines up, and hell, even the way the ball bounces. The fact that Notre Dame and MSU are having suboptimal seasons doesn't bear any relationship to the fact that Iowa shouldn't have lost to an FCS team at home and a bottom-feeding B1G team at home.


I've been saying this all day just without the big fancy words like microvariables you know I have a public school education.:)
 
What? I thought all we needed was 4* recruits and we would be automatic winners!

ND 55 (4* or 5*) players signed from '13-'16
MSU

Deano, u realize u just made the argument for what bad coaching can do to a team, right?

MSU has lost to Maryland, Illinois, and Indiana.......MSU has beaten a joke of a ND team and freaking Furman. They are bad, really, really bad. NDSU probably beats MSU by 2 TD.
 
I agree that it's difficult to remain a top contender every year, and I don't think anyone here expects that. Programs inevitably have years where they need to rebuild and start from zero. But when you bring back a stud quarterback, an All-American Thorpe winning cornerback, a tandem backfield capable of burning defenders, a solid defensive line, and pride yourself on your abilities as an "offensive line guru," you should "stay up there." It's simply a logical fallacy to make the argument that Iowa's let downs this year are somehow absolved, lessened, or justified because of Notre Dame and Michigan State. There are so many microvariables that influence the performance of a team, such as the players they have returning, the way the schedule lines up, and hell, even the way the ball bounces. The fact that Notre Dame and MSU are having suboptimal seasons doesn't bear any relationship to the fact that Iowa shouldn't have lost to an FCS team at home and a bottom-feeding B1G team at home.


Okay, I'm hoping you can help me here. Given we just went through one of the best seasons in the history of Iowa, and thus, not likely to make many coaching changes. How do you suppose Iowa is going to produce in the passing game? They have some young receivers that may become great, but after Iowa lost Vandeberg and Kittle had his injuries, most of us knew what was coming.

As for the recruiting angle, it's amazing that Iowa has done what they have in the past, given the facilities they had the last 20 years. Last year was the first recruiting cycle where we got to see some positives come from being on par with most other teams, not 20 years behind. Iowa will get more recruits, hell they went after some good 4/5 star players, landing some and still in the mix for some more.

I get where you're coming from, but start looking at things with your head and not your heart. PSU beat OSU which just beat the piss out of Nebraska. Iowa won't lose by this much to Michigan, because of play style, and should beat Illinois and probably Nebraska. There are many "talented" teams that have gotten their asses handed to them recently FSU, Nebraska, USC and MSU come to mind.
 
Okay, I'm hoping you can help me here. Given we just went through one of the best seasons in the history of Iowa, and thus, not likely to make many coaching changes. How do you suppose Iowa is going to produce in the passing game? They have some young receivers that may become great, but after Iowa lost Vandeberg and Kittle had his injuries, most of us knew what was coming.

As for the recruiting angle, it's amazing that Iowa has done what they have in the past, given the facilities they had the last 20 years. Last year was the first recruiting cycle where we got to see some positives come from being on par with most other teams, not 20 years behind. Iowa will get more recruits, hell they went after some good 4/5 star players, landing some and still in the mix for some more.

I get where you're coming from, but start looking at things with your head and not your heart. PSU beat OSU which just beat the piss out of Nebraska. Iowa won't lose by this much to Michigan, because of play style, and should beat Illinois and probably Nebraska. There are many "talented" teams that have gotten their asses handed to them recently FSU, Nebraska, USC and MSU come to mind.
This is one of the single dumbest posts I've read on this website. Good grief. You and "fans" like you are the reason we have this garbage to watch every Saturday.
 
This is one of the single dumbest posts I've read on this website. Good grief. You and "fans" like you are the reason we have this garbage to watch every Saturday.

I'm sorry you don't have an intelligent response, and have to resort to blinding attacking the poster. It's is "fans" like you that make the fan base look uninformed and idiotic.
 
I'm sorry you don't have an intelligent response, and have to resort to blinding attacking the poster. It's is "fans" like you that make the fan base look uninformed and idiotic.
Uninformed? Read your post again scooter. It's fans like me and a bunch other on this site that were calling for kirks ass a few years back and riling up the fan base that led to some hot seat talk which kicked his butt in to high gear. Being critical and raising your voice when you see hot garbage is being a good fan. Making excuses, similar to what you do, doesn't help this program.
 
I'm sorry you don't have an intelligent response, and have to resort to blinding attacking the poster. It's is "fans" like you that make the fan base look uninformed and idiotic.
When you post something of value, I will post something more intelligent. But I'm not optimistic.
 

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