Advanced Stats

[NikeHawk21]

PER (Player Efficiency Ratio):
1. Garza 26.5 PER
2. Cook 21.5 PER
3. Bohannon 17.5 PER
4. Nunge 17.2 PER
5. Pemsl 16.2 PER
6. Moss 15.7
7. Baer 15.2

WS/40 (Wins share per 40 minutes - an average player is .1)
1. Garza .188
2. Cook .128
3. Bohannon .128
4. Nunge .102
5. Pemsl .096
6. Moss .095
7. Baer .093

BPM (Box +/-)
1. Baer 6.9
2. Garza 6.3
3. Nunge 4.8
4. Bohannon 3.4
5. Kriener 3.2
6. Cook 2.9

Offensive rating
1. Garza 126.6
2. Bohannon 123.4
3. Cook 112.1
4. Moss 111.9

Defensive rating (lower the better)
1. Baer 106.8
2. Kriener 108.4
3. Nunge 108.5
4. Garza 108.7
15. Bohannon 115.7 (yikes)

 

[PCHawk]

I still think we are an upgrade at the 2 and 3 from being a really good team. One that even a terrible coach like Fran can't screw up. We need Moss and Dailey to step up big time. Or we need McCaffery, Weiskamp, and Fredrick to be upgrades. If either of those two things happen (and Cook stays) we will be a damn good team in 2 years. It will be a new ceiling for Fran.

 

[lightning1]

PER (Player Efficiency Ratio):
1. Garza 26.5 PER
2. Cook 21.5 PER
3. Bohannon 17.5 PER
4. Nunge 17.2 PER
5. Pemsl 16.2 PER
6. Moss 15.7
7. Baer 15.2

WS/40 (Wins share per 40 minutes - an average player is .1)
1. Garza .188
2. Cook .128
3. Bohannon .128
4. Nunge .102
5. Pemsl .096
6. Moss .095
7. Baer .093

BPM (Box +/-)
1. Baer 6.9
2. Garza 6.3
3. Nunge 4.8
4. Bohannon 3.4
5. Kriener 3.2
6. Cook 2.9

Offensive rating
1. Garza 126.6
2. Bohannon 123.4
3. Cook 112.1
4. Moss 111.9

Defensive rating (lower the better)
1. Baer 106.8
2. Kriener 108.4
3. Nunge 108.5
4. Garza 108.7
15. Bohannon 115.7 (yikes)

Garza is a great example of what maximum effort can accomplish. He's probably the least athletic player on the roster but he leads several categories.

 

[iahawk52]

Garza is a great example of what maximum effort can accomplish. He's probably the least athletic player on the roster but he leads several categories.

Exactly

 

[HawkeyeWalker]

PER (Player Efficiency Ratio):
1. Garza 26.5 PER
2. Cook 21.5 PER
3. Bohannon 17.5 PER
4. Nunge 17.2 PER
5. Pemsl 16.2 PER
6. Moss 15.7
7. Baer 15.2

WS/40 (Wins share per 40 minutes - an average player is .1)
1. Garza .188
2. Cook .128
3. Bohannon .128
4. Nunge .102
5. Pemsl .096
6. Moss .095
7. Baer .093

BPM (Box +/-)
1. Baer 6.9
2. Garza 6.3
3. Nunge 4.8
4. Bohannon 3.4
5. Kriener 3.2
6. Cook 2.9

Offensive rating
1. Garza 126.6
2. Bohannon 123.4
3. Cook 112.1
4. Moss 111.9

Defensive rating (lower the better)
1. Baer 106.8
2. Kriener 108.4
3. Nunge 108.5
4. Garza 108.7
15. Bohannon 115.7 (yikes)

What sticks out to me is the last 2 groups. Garza is the only one in the top 4 of both. Other than him, out best scorers are our worst defenders and vice versa. Good teams don't have that issue outside of 1 or 2 players that are specialists.

That said, I think we're gonna see a lot more Kriener and Nunge next year, and if they both take a step forward, it will help the defensive end and won't hurt the offensive end.

Right now, we have too many specialists. If they can round out...who knows.

IMO, we will need Cook to stay, a step forward from our Frosh and Soph, and one more addition that can guard the point.

Fran needs to build from Garza on out.

 

[HawkeyeWalker]

Garza is a great example of what maximum effort can accomplish. He's probably the least athletic player on the roster but he leads several categories.

And that effort, attitude might see him take a big step forward next year. If he can keep his shot and develop physically...he could be something special....

 

[NikeHawk21]

I still think we are an upgrade at the 2 and 3 from being a really good team. One that even a terrible coach like Fran can't screw up. We need Moss and Dailey to step up big time. Or we need McCaffery, Weiskamp, and Fredrick to be upgrades. If either of those two things happen (and Cook stays) we will be a damn good team in 2 years. It will be a new ceiling for Fran.

The advanced stats show us what we already know, which is that we were light on good guards, especially defensively.

Of our regular players only four had a negative defensive box +/-, they were:
Dailey -1.4
Moss -1.9
Ellingson -2.1
Bohannon -3.3 (double yikes)

 

[HawkGold]

Id be more impressed with the stats if Garza was looked at when Cook wasnt in the game and in close games against average or better teams.

Baer, Nunge, amd Kreiner like saw most minutes against less than 1st team for D stats.

Would like to see Cook's D stats with JBo not at the 1.

 

[PCHawk]

Would like to see Cook's D stats with JBo not at the 1.

Does that mean you think Bohannon would be better guarding a 2 during the times where Fran chooses to have him guard the 1?

 

[NikeHawk21]

Id be more impressed with the stats if Garza was looked at when Cook wasnt in the game and in close games against average or better teams.

Baer, Nunge, amd Kreiner like saw most minutes against less than 1st team for D stats.

Would like to see Cook's D stats with JBo not at the 1.

Bohannon played about 32 minutes a game, 34 in conference. Point being that every big guy on our team played the majority of their minutes with Bo, because Bo played the majority of the minutes.

Of the bigs who played, Cook’s defense was basically the worst, which is amazing given his physical abilities.

 

[lightning1]

And that effort, attitude might see him take a big step forward next year. If he can keep his shot and develop physically...he could be something special....

It's hard to say. His effort might already max out his ability. He can get more experienced. He can get more efficient. He might be too limited athletically to make big steps. We'll see.

 

[N8theGr8]

It's hard to say. His effort might already max out his ability. He can get more experienced. He can get more efficient. He might be too limited athletically to make big steps. We'll see.

There are a few things he can definitely improve on. First off, he can get stronger. As he's already developed a decent feeling for positioning, I think he'll be significantly improved on defense from the added strength. Then having a better feel for his teammates we can start to run more of the offense through him like we did even with Woody being a "point center". If his shooting also improves, I could easily see him being a 15-18ppg guy who also grabs 10 boards with 3+ assists in 25 minutes.

I think Nunge is the x-factor for everyone in the low post though. He looks like the second coming of Kaminsky only 2 years more advanced. As crazy as it sounds, if Nunge can make a big leap, I would love to see a lineup of Bohannon, Wieskamp, Cook, Nunge, and Garza where Cook guards the 3, Garza bodies up on whoever comes in the lane and Nunge crashes from the backside to block as many shots as he can. I think Cook is athletic enough slide with even the quickest 3 and Nunge is better suited to guarding a 4. On offense they can default to whichever position they want. If Nunge gets his 3 point shooting just a bit more dialed in in the 35-38% range, then we have 4 legit options from deep.

 

[HawkGold]

Does that mean you think Bohannon would be better guarding a 2 during the times where Fran chooses to have him guard the 1?

No just that D begins at the top. Once that breaks down all others are behind.

 

[NikeHawk21]

There are a few things he can definitely improve on. First off, he can get stronger. As he's already developed a decent feeling for positioning, I think he'll be significantly improved on defense from the added strength. Then having a better feel for his teammates we can start to run more of the offense through him like we did even with Woody being a "point center". If his shooting also improves, I could easily see him being a 15-18ppg guy who also grabs 10 boards with 3+ assists in 25 minutes.

I think Nunge is the x-factor for everyone in the low post though. He looks like the second coming of Kaminsky only 2 years more advanced. As crazy as it sounds, if Nunge can make a big leap, I would love to see a lineup of Bohannon, Wieskamp, Cook, Nunge, and Garza where Cook guards the 3, Garza bodies up on whoever comes in the lane and Nunge crashes from the backside to block as many shots as he can. I think Cook is athletic enough slide with even the quickest 3 and Nunge is better suited to guarding a 4. On offense they can default to whichever position they want. If Nunge gets his 3 point shooting just a bit more dialed in in the 35-38% range, then we have 4 legit options from deep.

Cook can’t guard 3s, he can barely guard athletic 4s (see Isaac Copeland, Lamar Stephens, Vince Edwards). Unless he improves a ton asking him to guard 3s would be asking for him to get in foul trouble on a nightly basis.

 

[HawkGold]

Bohannon played about 32 minutes a game, 34 in conference. Point being that every big guy on our team played the majority of their minutes with Bo, because Bo played the majority of the minutes.

Of the bigs who played, Cook’s defense was basically the worst, which is amazing given his physical abilities.

My O would be a lot different with Cook in the game than not. Cook always has 1 or 2 bodies on him. They take great care yo box him..

The D stats and analysis are not relevant with a bad D coach and a break down at the top due to foot speed. Stats dont give a clear picture.

Kind of like having Usain on a 2 man relay team with a 5 foot 250 pounder. Wont matter.

The biggest issue is Fran not JBo

 

[ArvadaHawk]

Garza is a great example of what maximum effort can accomplish. He's probably the least athletic player on the roster but he leads several categories.

i agree. but don't discount Cook getting double teamed as a huge benefit to Garza. GARZA needs Cook to return more than anyone so that Garza can start incorporating low post offensive moves.

 

[lightning1]

i agree. but don't discount Cook getting double teamed as a huge benefit to Garza. GARZA needs Cook to return more than anyone so that Garza can start incorporating low post offensive moves.

I've said as much in other threads.

 

[lightning1]

There are a few things he can definitely improve on. First off, he can get stronger. As he's already developed a decent feeling for positioning, I think he'll be significantly improved on defense from the added strength. Then having a better feel for his teammates we can start to run more of the offense through him like we did even with Woody being a "point center". If his shooting also improves, I could easily see him being a 15-18ppg guy who also grabs 10 boards with 3+ assists in 25 minutes.

I think Nunge is the x-factor for everyone in the low post though. He looks like the second coming of Kaminsky only 2 years more advanced. As crazy as it sounds, if Nunge can make a big leap, I would love to see a lineup of Bohannon, Wieskamp, Cook, Nunge, and Garza where Cook guards the 3, Garza bodies up on whoever comes in the lane and Nunge crashes from the backside to block as many shots as he can. I think Cook is athletic enough slide with even the quickest 3 and Nunge is better suited to guarding a 4. On offense they can default to whichever position they want. If Nunge gets his 3 point shooting just a bit more dialed in in the 35-38% range, then we have 4 legit options from deep.

Baer is a good example of what I'm talking about. His game hasn't gotten much better than when he was a FR, due to his effort maxing out his athletic potential.

 

[PCHawk]

Baer is a good example of what I'm talking about. His game hasn't gotten much better than when he was a FR, due to his effort maxing out his athletic potential.

It's a very good possibility that will happen. The one thing is strength is so important for a center. Even if his shooting doesn't improve at all, his ability to get rebounds and finish at the rim should get better as he gets stronger. Hopefully.