A realistic look at recruiting

deanvogs

deanvogs

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So I posted this in another thread, but wanted to start a discussion on it. For those who hand wring over ever recruit we get that doesn't have a P5 offer, I want to offer this up. It is a look at what ALL schools in the B1G doing that aren't blue bloods or MSU.


I have documented how only 7 of 12 Wisconsin commits have P5 offers, compared to 9 of 16 for Iowa. Lets look all the other schools outside of the blue bloods and MSU in the B1G that are fighting for spots 6-11 in the B1G recruiting rankings. All of these are per Rivals, and I'm sure I mistake or two somewhere in here...so give me a +/- one player per team possibly. :eek:

7 of 16 Iowa commits have zero other P5 offers

5 of 12 Wisconsin commits have zero other P5 offers

3 of 14 jNW commits has zero other P5 offers

5 of 12 Maryland commits have zero other P5 offers. Should actually be 6 of 12, as they have a 4* with zero other P5 offers, but I didn't count him.

5 of 13 Rutgers commits have zero other P5 offers

5 of 11 Minnesota commits have zero other P5 offers


This is the group of teams that Iowa ideally would beat in recruiting rankings. Right now there is simply no challenging the blue bloods or MSU recruiting wise. So basically all of these teams are getting roughly the same % of kids with ZERO other P5 offers. The staffs are getting different kids on campus at camps, evaluating, offering, and getting commitments. Heck the staffs would PREFER that these kids that they KNOW deserve a D1 P5 scholarship not camp other places, take their scholarship and end their recruitment. That is the whole freaking point of offering them.
 
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If it were next Feb and 50% of our commits didn't have P5 offers, I'd be worried. But with the recruiting calendar moved up so much, you're going to see this quite often. The big difference between this class and the last couple so far is we're getting our primary targets to commit, not our secondary.
 
SpiderRico said:
If it were next Feb and 50% of our commits didn't have P5 offers, I'd be worried. But with the recruiting calendar moved up so much, you're going to see this quite often. The big difference between this class and the last couple so far is we're getting our primary targets to commit, not our secondary.
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Totally agree. There is a big difference between offering a kid now, and offering a kid in Feb, that you had never thought was good enough, but now need to take a shot on because you missed on guys you preferred.
 
those b^tching about recruiting are just totally off on this one. It is only June for crying out loud. The staff has gone about recruiting this year in a totally different manner, they see a kid they like they offer him on the spot. I believe they are getting the kids they want before some other school makes the offer. The thing is the kids we are getting may not have a lot of P5 offers, but they all have interest from P5 schools. KF makes the offer first and I think that means a lot to a 3 star recruit. I've not liked his approach to recruiting in the past, but I think the way he's doing it now is the best approach for Iowa. I think hes going to fill his roster with the kids he wants as fast as he can and hold back X amount of schollies for a few higher rated recruits. I like what I see happening in Iowa City these days, I think we're going to see good football again.
 
deanvogs said:
So I posted this in another thread, but wanted to start a discussion on it. For those who hand wring over ever recruit we get that doesn't have a P5 offer, I want to offer this up. It is a look at what ALL schools in the B1G doing that aren't blue bloods or MSU.


I have documented how only 7 of 12 Wisconsin commits have P5 offers, compared to 9 of 16 for Iowa. Lets look all the other schools outside of the blue bloods and MSU in the B1G that are fighting for spots 6-11 in the B1G recruiting rankings. All of these are per Rivals, and I'm sure I mistake or two somewhere in here...so give me a +/- one player per team possibly. :eek:

7 of 16 Iowa commits have zero other P5 offers

5 of 12 Wisconsin commits have zero other P5 offers

3 of 14 jNW commits has zero other P5 offers

5 of 12 Maryland commits have zero other P5 offers. Should actually be 6 of 12, as they have a 4* with zero other P5 offers, but I didn't count him.

5 of 13 Rutgers commits have zero other P5 offers

5 of 11 Minnesota commits have zero other P5 offers


This is the group of teams that Iowa ideally would beat in recruiting rankings. Right now there is simply no challenging the blue bloods or MSU recruiting wise. So basically all of these teams are getting roughly the same % of kids with ZERO other P5 offers. The staffs are getting different kids on campus at camps, evaluating, offering, and getting commitments. Heck the staffs would PREFER that these kids that they KNOW deserve a D1 P5 scholarship not camp other places, take their scholarship and end their recruitment. That is the whole freaking point of offering them.
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Nice work. That does make me feel even better about the recruiting and should hush even more the haters.
 
SpiderRico said:
If it were next Feb and 50% of our commits didn't have P5 offers, I'd be worried. But with the recruiting calendar moved up so much, you're going to see this quite often. The big difference between this class and the last couple so far is we're getting our primary targets to commit, not our secondary.
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Yes but shouldn't that be even more concerning that our "primary" targets are guys with zero P5 offers and MAC-level recruits. Just shows where Iowa football is at IMO. Fact of the matter is even with new facilities we are still so behind everyone else. Most big time programs have had these sparkling facilities that we just got for years now and we are just now catching up. Schools like OSU, Michigan, Nebraska, MSU, PSU, Wisconsin are all much more attractive to recruits until we start winning on the field. Which has to do with coaching, but also has to do with talent level. Which I don't think we are recruiting well with that aspect currently.
 
SpearChucker said:
Yes but shouldn't that be even more concerning that our "primary" targets are guys with zero P5 offers and MAC-level recruits. Just shows where Iowa football is at IMO. Fact of the matter is even with new facilities we are still so behind everyone else. Most big time programs have had these sparkling facilities that we just got for years now and we are just now catching up. Schools like OSU, Michigan, Nebraska, MSU, PSU, Wisconsin are all much more attractive to recruits until we start winning on the field. Which has to do with coaching, but also has to do with talent level. Which I don't think we are recruiting well with that aspect currently.
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Do you even read people's responses? There have been a thousand posts on why good players wouldn't have P5 offers yet and you still are saying they are MAC level based soley on their offer list.
 
PCHawk said:
Do you even read people's responses? There have been a thousand posts on why good players wouldn't have P5 offers yet and you still are saying they are MAC level based soley on their offer list.
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"Good" players to Iowa's standards. The REAL good players are the ones that have been being recruited by P5 coaches since they were Sophomores and Juniors in high school. That isn't just the Top 100 players. We go after the ones only located in the midwest region that have offers from every MAC school or offer our entire core of in-state prospects that wouldn't be offered by anyone else.
 
SpearChucker said:
"Good" players to Iowa's standards. The REAL good players are the ones that have been being recruited by P5 coaches since they were Sophomores and Juniors in high school. That isn't just the Top 100 players. We go after the ones only located in the midwest region that have offers from every MAC school or offer our entire core of in-state prospects that wouldn't be offered by anyone else.
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Dude, you really are clueless. You are talking about the top 400 recruits, which are the 4* and 5* players of the 2017 class (even if you don't think you are). And yes, Iowa makes a run at them, but like most every other 4* or 5* kid, they usually go to a blue blood, or a program closer to home to them. We recruit the midwest, because that is the freaking B1G footprint, every B1G school recruits the freaking midwest. We also recruit the east coast and texas hard, and we are making a push into Georgia. You have to recruit regions, cause you can't dedicate one coach to one kid in one state/region. That would be a HUGE waste to time and efforts.

For instance Iowa has offers out to the following 2017 kids:

RB:
Eno Benjamin (texas)
Rajan Cunningham (texas)
Michael Warren (Ohio)
Andrew Clair (Missouri)
Anthony McFarland (maryland)
Mohamed Ibrahim (maryland)
D'Andre Swift (Pennsylvania)
Jordan Rowell (Ill.)


WR:
Jaylen Harris (Ohio)
Isaiah Robertson (Ill.)
Eddie Lewis (New Jersey)
Danny Davis (Ohio)


Iowa has 40 offers out already to 2017 kids, and a very small portion of them only have the Iowa offer right now (most of them have 2-10 other P5 offers at least). Yet according to you if we do offer first, it is a bad thing......to be the first one in on a high school So.? Dude, I can't begin to tell you just how freaking stupid you sound saying this shat. Just give it up already.
 
deanvogs said:
Dude, you really are clueless. You are talking about the top 400 recruits, which are the 4* and 5* players of the 2017 class (even if you don't think you are). And yes, Iowa makes a run at them, but like most every other 4* or 5* kid, they usually go to a blue blood, or a program closer to home to them. We recruit the midwest, because that is the freaking B1G footprint, every B1G school recruits the freaking midwest. We also recruit the east coast and texas hard, and we are making a push into Georgia. You have to recruit regions, cause you can't dedicate one coach to one kid in one state/region. That would be a HUGE waste to time and efforts.

For instance Iowa has offers out to the following 2017 kids:

RB:
Eno Benjamin (texas)
Rajan Cunningham (texas)
Michael Warren (Ohio)
Andrew Clair (Missouri)
Anthony McFarland (maryland)
Mohamed Ibrahim (maryland)
D'Andre Swift (Pennsylvania)
Jordan Rowell (Ill.)


WR:
Jaylen Harris (Ohio)
Isaiah Robertson (Ill.)
Eddie Lewis (New Jersey)
Danny Davis (Ohio)


Iowa has 40 offers out already to 2017 kids, and a very small portion of them only have the Iowa offer right now (most of them have 2-10 other P5 offers at least). Yet according to you if we do offer first, it is a bad thing......to be the first one in on a high school So.? Dude, I can't begin to tell you just how freaking stupid you sound saying this shat. Just give it up already.
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We seriously just need to ignore guys like SpearChucker and iowalaw. All they want is a response. Don't give it to them. If they are Hawkeye fans, which I highly doubt, then they are the type who would complain about recruiting no matter what the situation is even if they say differently.

Anyone with more than half a brain knows that the recruiting thus far has been pretty exceptional considering the circumstances. Ferentz is on the hot seat, and rightfully so, and the program is feeling pressure to win after some lackluster years. That's not an easy situation to recruit in. Hell look at how bad Iowa State's recruiting is going for example. For the Iowa coaches to come out and land recruits like they have been in the current state of the program is pretty damn impressive. If someone wants to be negative about it then let us all agree to just let them be negative because there's no changing their mind. They can talk to themselves. The reality is that in the current situation the recruiting could be going MUCH MUCH worse. The fact that it is actually going pretty damn well is a welcome surprise and Hawk fans have every right to be excited about it.
 
While there is still much to be desired in all aspects of the hawkeye football program, the recruitent for 2016 has been a very pleasant surprise. If the hawks are doing this well now, imagine how much stronger the classes would be if we had a successful team on the field. Lots of people ask what comes first the chicken or the egg (in regards to better recruits and a good football team) but as long as we are moving in the right direction one will follow the other.
 
I've listened to some podcasts recently from Miller, Howe, Harty, etc. They are not negative on Iowa's recruiting thus far this season but they all express concern about the lack of Power 5 offers again this year as well as the last several. They have all expressed concerns about the overall level of talent that Iowa has been accumulating in recent years. I have followed Iowa recruiting for many years and would agree with them. They used to compete more regularly with other Power 5 members for recruits. This has changed in recent years. Maybe they'll fill out this class with some widely recognized talent but that hasn't been the trend lately. They've been reaching deep into the cookie jar in the closing weeks of recruiting in the last several years.

With many of this year's starters not having many (if any) Power 5 offers we'll all be able to see how this plays out on the field this season. That's my realistic view.
 
SpearChucker said:
Yes but shouldn't that be even more concerning that our "primary" targets are guys with zero P5 offers and MAC-level recruits. Just shows where Iowa football is at IMO. Fact of the matter is even with new facilities we are still so behind everyone else. Most big time programs have had these sparkling facilities that we just got for years now and we are just now catching up. Schools like OSU, Michigan, Nebraska, MSU, PSU, Wisconsin are all much more attractive to recruits until we start winning on the field. Which has to do with coaching, but also has to do with talent level. Which I don't think we are recruiting well with that aspect currently.
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I'm honestly not too worried about the ratings of some of these commits. There are many commits that will get more offers as this isn't the typical late signings that Iowa has been getting recently. There are many recruits from last years class that didn't get a high rating because Iowa offered them and they committed then stopped going to camps greatly reducing their chances of getting other offers or increasing their star rating.

It's funny that many people forget that just last year didn't Iowa land a commit that had an offer from OSU?
 
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