A blog on why 16 teams for Big 10 makes sense

Very informative. I have not seen that take before. Makes more sense with what I am hearing down here in SEC country that this is going to happen and the rest of the leagues are scrambling to expand and protect their borders.
 
I agree with Frank that the odds favor ND,Rutgers,Nebraska,Missouri and Pitt/Cuse,if they go to 16. Texas is a wildcard,but a longshot,imo.
 
Here is an interview with Mizzou coach Gary Pinkel on Big Ten expansion that in spite of the hatred of Iowa fans toward the man is a pretty interesting read. He makes a damn good point in his dissatisfaction with the Big 12 in their revenue sharing as compared to what the Big Ten does and is able to offer it's schools.

Pinkel has mixed views on Big Ten - STLtoday.com
 
If Texas is off the table I think the key to expansion is what is a viable way to reach NYC, or is there one? I'm not sure how much they care about college sports and they probably care about college basketball more than football.

We in the midwest look at everything from the football angle but maybe the basketball angle is what brings in the NYC & East coast markets. This may be higher on their priority lists and it seems basketball games throughout the week is the live telecasts the Network needs to sell more advertising.
 
It's no secret that Jon feels the same way about ND and I have to agree with him. I grew up in a ND household and know the history and passion in it's older fan base. But for me they're a punchline. Either get on the bus or get run over by it either way when the B10 expands they're not looking back.
 
CAARHawk said:
I have been saying that the Big Ten should stop scheduling Notre Dame if they don't join for months. Seems like a total no brainer. Good luck keeping that TV contract with your big games against the directional Michigan schools.
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Are you going to tell me the Purdue AD will take his biggest game of the schedule, and the huge revenue that makes, in order to prove a point? Same for the Michigan St. AD. Purdue and MSU need that ND game more than ND needs them. ND can schedule anyone and make it a sell out and broadcast it on national tv. Will Purdue pass that up for a game vs. Toledo broadcast on BTN with no one watching?
 
CAARHawk said:
I have been saying that the Big Ten should stop scheduling Notre Dame if they don't join for months. Seems like a total no brainer. Good luck keeping that TV contract with your big games against the directional Michigan schools.
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Notre Dame can schedule big name schools to play them pretty easily. They play the Big Ten teams because of long standing rivalries. Big Ten schools playing ND benefit the Big Ten more than it benefits ND
 
GhostofBTT said:
Are you going to tell me the Purdue AD will take his biggest game of the schedule, and the huge revenue that makes, in order to prove a point? Same for the Michigan St. AD. Purdue and MSU need that ND game more than ND needs them. ND can schedule anyone and make it a sell out and broadcast it on national tv. Will Purdue pass that up for a game vs. Toledo broadcast on BTN with no one watching?
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I used to feel the same way but with the B10 network I don't really think this is true anymore. Yes, Purdue and Michigan State would rather play ND than some MAC school, but they can easily afford to pass up that game now thanks to the revenue being brought in by the B10 network. And if not scheduling ND for a couple of years led to the Irish joining the Big 10 and even more revenue in the future, it would make even more sense. Notre Dame's TV deal is nowhere near as impressive as it was when they signed it.
 
HawkeyeMike23 said:
I used to feel the same way but with the B10 network I don't really think this is true anymore. Yes, Purdue and Michigan State would rather play ND than some MAC school, but they can easily afford to pass up that game now thanks to the revenue being brought in by the B10 network. And if not scheduling ND for a couple of years led to the Irish joining the Big 10 and even more revenue in the future, it would make even more sense. Notre Dame's TV deal is nowhere near as impressive as it was when they signed it.
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What do you mean they can afford to pass that game up? That is plain out silly. It isn't an either-or situation here. They can get their exposure and revenue from playing ND, and the revenue from the BTN. Like I said, Purdue and MSU need ND more than ND needs them.

Also, while ND would make more money in the Big 10, I think they have made it abundently clear that they don't really want the Big 10's money. They make good money as it is, and they have the freedom to act on their own. They like that, and I don't think extra money will change that.
 
GhostofBTT said:
What do you mean they can afford to pass that game up? That is plain out silly. It isn't an either-or situation here. They can get their exposure and revenue from playing ND, and the revenue from the BTN. Like I said, Purdue and MSU need ND more than ND needs them.

Also, while ND would make more money in the Big 10, I think they have made it abundently clear that they don't really want the Big 10's money. They make good money as it is, and they have the freedom to act on their own. They like that, and I don't think extra money will change that.
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They don't "need" ND at all. Thats the point, it's more beneficial to them to be playing Notre Dame than a MAC school or a FCS team, but both those teams do just fine financially and that extra little revenue generated by playing ND (and it would be a very, very small difference in their overall football revenue) could be made up by playing another BCS school.
 
GhostofBTT said:
What do you mean they can afford to pass that game up? That is plain out silly. It isn't an either-or situation here. They can get their exposure and revenue from playing ND, and the revenue from the BTN. Like I said, Purdue and MSU need ND more than ND needs them.

Also, while ND would make more money in the Big 10, I think they have made it abundently clear that they don't really want the Big 10's money. They make good money as it is, and they have the freedom to act on their own. They like that, and I don't think extra money will change that.
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There's no doubt that ND makes "Good Money" and has National Exposure by being an independent. However that's limited to it's Football Program. By joining the B10 it would receive "Better Money" and National Exposure for all it's athletic programs.

Now, if they are happy resting on their laurels and using the Football Program exclusively to fund the rest of their athletics so be it. But that's extremely short sighted and, to be blunt, it's not working out very well for a once prestigious program that's now a national punchline.

Kids don't attend schools anymore because it's ND or Nebraska. You don't have the Grey shirts sitting on the sidelines. If ND wants a realistic chance to turn it's Football and National Reputation around It'll join the Big 10 (I don't care either way but agree with the thinking that if they decline they don't get to play B10 teams).

And I disagree with your take on Purdue, Indiana, and Michigan State. I don't think need ND that much. ND schedules these schools based on previous history of winning these games. For all ND cares they might as well be MAC schools. When ND wins they get a B10 win on their record which means they get extra points when it comes to Bowl Selection. Same thing when they lose. They lost to a B10 team so it's not as bad. ND uses the B10 for their own financial gain. The B10 needs to change this one way or another.
 
GhostofBTT said:
What do you mean they can afford to pass that game up? That is plain out silly. It isn't an either-or situation here. They can get their exposure and revenue from playing ND, and the revenue from the BTN. Like I said, Purdue and MSU need ND more than ND needs them.
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No they don't. What you are failing to take into account is how much money playing Notre Dame costs Purdue and MSU. A non-conference home game for Purdue and MSU, regardless of the opponent or "exposure", is more financially lucrative than playing on the road at Notre Dame.

Aside from that their AD is already laying the groundwork with their alumni and fanbase to join the BT: “New York – Notre Dame athletic director Jack Swarbrick says the possible expansion of the Big Ten could create changes in major college football that force the Fighting Irish to give up their football independence."
 
GhostofBTT said:
Are you going to tell me the Purdue AD will take his biggest game of the schedule, and the huge revenue that makes, in order to prove a point? Same for the Michigan St. AD. Purdue and MSU need that ND game more than ND needs them. ND can schedule anyone and make it a sell out and broadcast it on national tv. Will Purdue pass that up for a game vs. Toledo broadcast on BTN with no one watching?
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Absolutely! Because as college sports is now going, the money you make from your gate is nothing compared to the TV contract. Why do you think they give up people in the seats for BCS games to spread them out? Why do you think they don't care that nobody goes to see the NCAA basketball tourney until the sweet 16?
 
CAARHawk said:
Absolutely! Because as college sports is now going, the money you make from your gate is nothing compared to the TV contract. Why do you think they give up people in the seats for BCS games to spread them out? Why do you think they don't care that nobody goes to see the NCAA basketball tourney until the sweet 16?
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That's just false. I mean flat out ludacrisly false. Gate receipts are by far the largest source of revenue for a college football team, indeed, an athletic program. Iowa alone gets twice the amount from the football gate that the revenue they get from broadcast rights in all sports combined.

Seriously dude, get it straight.
 
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