5 Hawkeyes Who Could Fly Coop Early for NFL After ’19 Season
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MoseSchrute
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C'mon man, we're still reeling after all these recent losses. Do we really need to think about this right now?
iloveyoularrystation
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Though Moses' reaction was my initial reaction too (comeon man I'm crying about this year still, why add to my pain), it makes sense to write this article now. I think a key thing for next year has to be to find time for some other DE's to get in the game, because both Golston and Eppy were darn near unblock-able at the end of the season, especially when they were in there together.
Hankins was our best cover corner this year and was super solid the year before, when healthy, just didn't get noticed because of having the best corner in America across from him. He'll get noticed next year outside of our circles.
I think Alaric two years ago was better than Alaric last year, and I don't know what accounts for that, maybe injury, maybe going against better edge rushers this year, I don't know.
Hankins was our best cover corner this year and was super solid the year before, when healthy, just didn't get noticed because of having the best corner in America across from him. He'll get noticed next year outside of our circles.
I think Alaric two years ago was better than Alaric last year, and I don't know what accounts for that, maybe injury, maybe going against better edge rushers this year, I don't know.
RobHowe
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And I'm sure you had James Daniels and Josh Jackson going in the second round before their junior seasons and Hockenson and Hooker going out before they played their junior seasons.
It's funny. Everyone was doom and gloom after losing JD and JJ, saying that 2018 was gonna be a lost year.And I'm sure you had James Daniels and Josh Jackson going in the second round before their junior seasons and Hockenson and Hooker going out before they played their junior seasons.
Now 2019 is gonna be a lost year, supposedly.
That's football.
Losing an All American CB and an Honorable Mention All B1G Center is not quite the same as losing the B1G DB of the year, two All American TEs, and an All B1G DE. Quite honestly its not even close.
We lost an AA CB, an AA MLB, two more All-Conference level LBs, and an a playmaker like Wadley after last season.
I'm not saying we're going to be better, I'm not even saying we're going to be just as good next year, but to write it off as a "rebuilding year" this early on is just as asinine.
Fair enough but I never said it was going to be a rebuilding year in 2019. Nor did I minimize the losses of Iowa's SRs in 2017.
I was reacting to your post comparing Iowa's early draft departures from 2017 to their early draft departures in 2018.
Personally I don't think Iowa is going to fall off the map in 2019 because of these guys leaving but looking at this realistically, the Wisconsin/Northwestern/Purdue/Michigan St type of teams aren't losing guys early like Iowa has over the last two years.
These teams are already beating Iowa on the field and now Iowa is losing players early when they are not.
To me, that's very concerning.
RobHowe
Administrator
It's going to be interesting how this program adapts to this trend. I think the new redshirt rule will help Iowa. It allows it to get guys' feet wet without losing a year of eligibility.
Overall, the coaches will not get as much development time with guys leaving early. And it's not going to be just guys that will go in the first round. Fant and Hockenson are the only two of the four that have a chance to go in the first round. And, guys are much more willing to transfer out of here if they're not getting the playing time they want.
But with concussions and more focus on career-ending injuries, guys like Hooker and A Nelson are going to be on themselves. They get drafted after the first round and try to pull off what Desmond King and George Kittle have done. Strike while you can and try to get to that second contract instead of being banged up in college.
It will put more of strain in development and recruiting here, that's for sure. Again, interested to see how the staff deals with it. I think it's going to have to hit the transfer and grad transfer markets harder. But, then that can mess with the culture they covet.
Interesting times, indeed.
Overall, the coaches will not get as much development time with guys leaving early. And it's not going to be just guys that will go in the first round. Fant and Hockenson are the only two of the four that have a chance to go in the first round. And, guys are much more willing to transfer out of here if they're not getting the playing time they want.
But with concussions and more focus on career-ending injuries, guys like Hooker and A Nelson are going to be on themselves. They get drafted after the first round and try to pull off what Desmond King and George Kittle have done. Strike while you can and try to get to that second contract instead of being banged up in college.
It will put more of strain in development and recruiting here, that's for sure. Again, interested to see how the staff deals with it. I think it's going to have to hit the transfer and grad transfer markets harder. But, then that can mess with the culture they covet.
Interesting times, indeed.
No you didn't, and I was mainly talking about the people who think 6 wins is the ceiling for next year.
The early departures are concerning to me as well in the short term, but in the grand scheme of things I see them as indicators of just how much better the recruiting has gotten in recent years.
2016 has a chance to go down as one of the more loaded classes in Iowa history, with the obvious stars in TJ, Fant, and Hooker, and good players like Stanley, but we're also getting good reps out of guys like Young, Welch, NNiemann, Golston, Jackson, and Lattimore, Jones, and Banwart. We're going to see what we've got in Beyer next year, along with Wade down the road. Hell, even Romeo McKnight was talented enough to instantly become an FCS all-American.
NikeHawk21
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That’s the thing though. Everyone talks about second contract, like injuries aren’t a thing in the NFL (not you specifically). Desmond King and George Kittle could have career ending injuries before their second contract and gross less than $2 million in their NFL careers.
Draft position is so very important and for whatever reason I think some of these guys are underestimating that. It will be interesting to see how it plays out. If T.J. goes in the third round or later I think from a business perspective he made the wrong decision. This years class is loaded at TE and in next years group he’d be likely be the top dog, In the 1st or 2nd round, which would net him a contract of $4–$10 million in guaranteed money. If he goes in the third round this year his contract would have less than $1 million in guaranteed money. Again hopefully he tests well and get picked in the top 2 rounds this year, but in a loaded TE group who knows.
Same with Hooker. One more ultra productive year at Iowa I would think he could have played his way into the top 2 rounds next year. His versatility could be so valuable in the league right now. If he’s picked in the third or later I still don’t know that I would call his decision a smart one (again from a business perspective only).
Nelson I understand with two degrees and being already near his football ceiling.
Again interesting times as you say, and none of what I’m saying is directed at you, just kind of my thought on it. You just wonder if these guys are getting bad advice.
NikeHawk21
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Jim Boeheim was on a radio show this week talking about how many young players are going pro at an early age. He said these kids are getting terrible advice, and likely if they aren’t lottery type picks they are going to wind up in the G league. He said more players should go the Malcom Brogdon route (4 years at UVA) now started for the Bucks.
Now the NBA is a whole different animal than the NFL but I do think there is something to his point. Over 130 non seniors have declared for the NFL draft this year. That’s over 4 full rounds of picks and doesn’t include seniors. Each individual case is different but you have to imagine many of those kids are getting terrible advice. Seeking that paycheck is one thing, and I get that coming back to school might not for sure improve your stick (Des King), but your time at school can help you improve as a football player which increases your chances of sticking with the NFL team that drafts you.
Now the NBA is a whole different animal than the NFL but I do think there is something to his point. Over 130 non seniors have declared for the NFL draft this year. That’s over 4 full rounds of picks and doesn’t include seniors. Each individual case is different but you have to imagine many of those kids are getting terrible advice. Seeking that paycheck is one thing, and I get that coming back to school might not for sure improve your stick (Des King), but your time at school can help you improve as a football player which increases your chances of sticking with the NFL team that drafts you.
iloveyoularrystation
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What's interesting about that Rob is just math wise, you stay an extra year and play 12-14 more games, and boost your first contract. Or you go early, play 3 years at 16 games, plus 4 exhibition games a year, so 20 extra games a season. Talking about risk of injury that might keep you from the more money. I think i'd roll the dice with the college edu-muh-cation and one more year of college, but that's me. Obviously there are thousands of considerations like family economics and how much you like being a student and other things as well. Not hating on them, just saying as a calculation of odds, it seems a better roll of the dice to stay that extra year at college. But there are probably hundreds of examples of guys who stayed and lost money. I guess some people think des was.
