3 days proving how ashamed we should be

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libradawg

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11 UK goes down, 21 UMASS blown to pieces, 24 OSU gets beat, 17 and 18 downed in Cyclone and Pitt unis, 8th ranked Okie St. was never really in it, 14th ranked Wisconsin beat at home in a game that wasn't even close against a team Iowa beat by 26---TWICE. Word is 1 AZ needed some big officiating help to not get beat by mediocre Stanford. But IOWA getting beat by 7th ranked and two losses with a coach that pulled every unprofessional trick possible? Now THAT is some unforgivable stuff that really reflects so poorly on our program!

I realize there aren't the same amount of whiners and apocalyptic tin foil hats here as there are on my facebook page, lol, but if the critics are in gear I'm here to put it back in PARK.
 
libradawg said:
11 UK goes down, 21 UMASS blown to pieces, 24 OSU gets beat, 17 and 18 downed in Cyclone and Pitt unis, 8th ranked Okie St. was never really in it, 14th ranked Wisconsin beat at home in a game that wasn't even close against a team Iowa beat by 26---TWICE. Word is 1 AZ needed some big officiating help to not get beat by mediocre Stanford. But IOWA getting beat by 7th ranked and two losses with a coach that pulled every unprofessional trick possible? Now THAT is some unforgivable stuff that really reflects so poorly on our program!

I realize there aren't the same amount of whiners and apocalyptic tin foil hats here as there are on my facebook page, lol, but if the critics are in gear I'm here to put it back in PARK.
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You are entirely correct, libradawg....

Good work, indeed

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libradawg said:
11 UK goes down, 21 UMASS blown to pieces, 24 OSU gets beat, 17 and 18 downed in Cyclone and Pitt unis, 8th ranked Okie St. was never really in it, 14th ranked Wisconsin beat at home in a game that wasn't even close against a team Iowa beat by 26---TWICE. Word is 1 AZ needed some big officiating help to not get beat by mediocre Stanford. But IOWA getting beat by 7th ranked and two losses with a coach that pulled every unprofessional trick possible? Now THAT is some unforgivable stuff that really reflects so poorly on our program!

I realize there aren't the same amount of whiners and apocalyptic tin foil hats here as there are on my facebook page, lol, but if the critics are in gear I'm here to put it back in PARK.
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I don't think you did a very good job of getting your point across here, as I have no idea where you are going with this. Want to try again?
 
You referring to the Technical? If so, good lord, get over it.... That did not cost us the game.
 
GoHawks24 said:
I don't think you did a very good job of getting your point across here, as I have no idea where you are going with this. Want to try again?
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After reading it thru a couple of times, it appears to be a "tongue in cheek" post basically saying we DON'T have anything to be ashamed of because a good portion of the Top 25 took it in the junk as well. Knowing that actually makes me feel WORSE because had we taken care of home court Tuesday, we could have moved up BIG TIME with all the carnage that's happened the last couple of days.
 
I was furious when I wrote this so forgive the poor grammar, chalk it up to frenetic thinking and typing.

YES- Part definitely was tongue in cheek.

NO- That part wasn't in the portion about the coach being unprofessional, disgraceful and unethical. Except this mystery man is none other than my ex-favorite opposing coach and, when Lick coached, favorite coach PERIOD: Tom Izzo.

1a- Officials don't like having a huge free throw disparity. They'll avoid it at all costs and is normally a sound plan, unless shadiness enters the picture.
1b- What if you fouled every trip? Eventually the refs would stop calling them, right? The only thing that POSSIBLY could go better is that the officials stop calling them and the opposing coach gets a FU*****G technical trying to explain what's going on. But wait, he can't do that, he'd risk too many foul outs, right? Well...

2a- Officials also don't like fouling out key players. This implies that they're taking control and deciding the game unfairly. If a coach decides to foul every possession he can rely on this unwritten rule. Would it ever work?
2b- FIVE Michigan St. players had 4 fouls, with their only foul out being Zach McCabe. Oh, yeah, that's right. Am I still seeming outlandish?

3a- Officials DEFINITELY hate calling fouls on buzzer shots. You have to mug that crap out of the guy as long as you're not in that one tournament game 3-4 years ago with Butler.
3b- Izzo's biggest fouling moment: Gesell's layup. All body, layup not close, shooter sliding into camera crews.

And let's not forget when Izzo had them run on us when Marble couldn't walk. Please tell me all of this is an overreaction. Tell me I'm wrong. I'm not, though. When the huge disparity began in the first half I watched more closely. Sure enough we were fouled literally on every possession. And I mean literally.

I'm not blaming the officials; they were merely following a code of unwritten rules that you just don't see teams desperate enough to abuse. YES these unwritten rules need to change, but for now we lost a game and now have to make it up at MSU because of it.

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That's simply what I was saying with that post. :)
 
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And let's not forget when Izzo had them run on us when Marble couldn't walk.
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Are you mad at Izzo for not stopping play when Marble was down? I would be livid if Fran didn't go for a cheap bucket if the shoe was on the other foot. Anyway, if the defense wants to prevent a 4 on 5, they can foul to stop play. That's their option.
 
okeefe4prez said:
Are you mad at Izzo for not stopping play when Marble was down? I would be livid if Fran didn't go for a cheap bucket if the shoe was on the other foot. Anyway, if the defense wants to prevent a 4 on 5, they can foul to stop play. That's their option.
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Remember when UNI beat Kansas? That tournament? There was a play, MSU by like 2-3, one bucket maximum, and the same thing happens to UNI. Izzo pulled his PG back and this was already in the half court. Not only is it the right thing to do if you weren't running anyway, but Izzo has PROVEN that he knows this and he knows this very well.

Seriously, there is nothing cheaper and more ill-gotten than a bucket while needing opponents to be immobile on the floor. Is there even a HINT of competitive spirit left anymore??
 
libradawg said:
I was furious when I wrote this so forgive the poor grammar, chalk it up to frenetic thinking and typing.

YES- Part definitely was tongue in cheek.

NO- That part wasn't in the portion about the coach being unprofessional, disgraceful and unethical. Except this mystery man is none other than my ex-favorite opposing coach and, when Lick coached, favorite coach PERIOD: Tom Izzo.

1a- Officials don't like having a huge free throw disparity. They'll avoid it at all costs and is normally a sound plan, unless shadiness enters the picture.
1b- What if you fouled every trip? Eventually the refs would stop calling them, right? The only thing that POSSIBLY could go better is that the officials stop calling them and the opposing coach gets a FU*****G technical trying to explain what's going on. But wait, he can't do that, he'd risk too many foul outs, right? Well...

2a- Officials also don't like fouling out key players. This implies that they're taking control and deciding the game unfairly. If a coach decides to foul every possession he can rely on this unwritten rule. Would it ever work?
2b- FIVE Michigan St. players had 4 fouls, with their only foul out being Zach McCabe. Oh, yeah, that's right. Am I still seeming outlandish?

3a- Officials DEFINITELY hate calling fouls on buzzer shots. You have to mug that crap out of the guy as long as you're not in that one tournament game 3-4 years ago with Butler.
3b- Izzo's biggest fouling moment: Gesell's layup. All body, layup not close, shooter sliding into camera crews.

And let's not forget when Izzo had them run on us when Marble couldn't walk. Please tell me all of this is an overreaction. Tell me I'm wrong. I'm not, though. When the huge disparity began in the first half I watched more closely. Sure enough we were fouled literally on every possession. And I mean literally.

I'm not blaming the officials; they were merely following a code of unwritten rules that you just don't see teams desperate enough to abuse. YES these unwritten rules need to change, but for now we lost a game and now have to make it up at MSU because of it.

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That's simply what I was saying with that post. :)
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You forgot the part where refs will call a few phantom fouls on the other team to help even up the fouls. So hypothetically if you foul every possession, they will quit calling them on you after awhile and they will call a few on the other team that weren't even there. It's actually a pretty good idea.
 
libradawg said:
Seriously, there is nothing cheaper and more ill-gotten than a bucket while needing opponents to be immobile on the floor. Is there even a HINT of competitive spirit left anymore??
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Wouldn't trying to score indicate better competitive spirit than slowing down and not exploiting the advantage? Sportsmanship is another story.
 
libradawg said:
Officials don't like having a huge free throw disparity. They'll avoid it at all costs and is normally a sound plan, unless shadiness enters the picture. ... ... What if you fouled every trip? Eventually the refs would stop calling them, right? ... ... Officials also don't like fouling out key players. This implies that they're taking control and deciding the game unfairly. If a coach decides to foul every possession he can rely on this unwritten rule. ... ... FIVE Michigan St. players had 4 fouls, with their only foul out being Zach McCabe. Oh, yeah, that's right. Am I still seeming outlandish?
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I get your point. John Thompson (the former Georgetown coach), as a color commentator, once stated, "I often told my players not to worry about fouling people because the refs aren't going to call all of them."

In addition, you look at statistics for games (not just Iowa) and you will see that even two teams with vastly different offensive philosophies will often have similar foul numbers.

Coincidence? We'll probably never know.
 
GVGiant44 said:
I get your point. John Thompson (the former Georgetown coach), as a color commentator, once stated, "I often told my players not to worry about fouling people because the refs aren't going to call all of them."

In addition, you look at statistics for games (not just Iowa) and you will see that even two teams with vastly different offensive philosophies will often have similar foul numbers.

Coincidence? We'll probably never know.
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Izzo coaches this way, he has his team play physical knowing officials will let stuff go and not see everything. This is why many on here were complaining about the officials even though Iowa got the majority of the calls. There were a bunch of other fouls that did not get called and then some of the "make up" fouls called on Iowa were sometimes weak.
 
Yet at the end of the 1st half of the MSU game, when a B1G TV analyst interviewed Isszo, the coach whined about the disparity of the fouls being called (think the B1G TV analyst was egging him on, here). Another B1G TV analyst pointed out that MSU was shooting too many 3s in the 1st half (because of the presence of Woody and Oleseni). And Isszo pointed out he had to put in "weird players" (unconventional post lineup) because of his bigs' foul trouble.

Am I ashamed? Yeah. Of Iowa's coaching in the 2nd.
 
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I'm ashamed at those who keep thinking that it is only the officiating that cost the Hawks the game against MSU. Even Fran stated that his team was/is not tough enough down the stretch and that Gessel should have took the ball stronger to the Hoop on the final play of the game. Yes, MSU play's a physical brand of B-Ball but I was actually very impressed with their perimeter defense and especially the defensive job that Harris did on White limiting him to one field goal. Officials did Not allow Michigan St's back up freshman center to obtain career high's in both pts and rebounds. Bottom line it was a very good game and the better team won because they came through in the clutch and limited the Hawks bench to a total of 14 pts. My hope is that the Hawks keep making improvement and get in a position to make a good run in the Big and NCAA tourney. Blaming the officials every time we get beat is getting old. (reminds me of certain ISU fans)
 
ssshhhhhhhhhhh.............

quiet, didn't you get the memo that everyone is supposed to be down on the team right now? :D
 
Dominate said:
I'm ashamed at those who keep thinking that it is only the officiating that cost the Hawks the game against MSU. Even Fran stated that his team was/is not tough enough down the stretch and that Gessel should have took the ball stronger to the Hoop on the final play of the game. Yes, MSU play's a physical brand of B-Ball but I was actually very impressed with their perimeter defense and especially the defensive job that Harris did on White limiting him to one field goal. Officials did Not allow Michigan St's back up freshman center to obtain career high's in both pts and rebounds. Bottom line it was a very good game and the better team won because they came through in the clutch and limited the Hawks bench to a total of 14 pts. My hope is that the Hawks keep making improvement and get in a position to make a good run in the Big and NCAA tourney. Blaming the officials every time we get beat is getting old. (reminds me of certain ISU fans)
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When you grow up playing sports you are taught to not blame the officials. This is because they want you to focus on the things you can do to get better as a player. It does more good to think about your missed free throws and use it as motivation to get better than it does to put the blame on a part of the game you can't control.

The thing people don't realize is when they grow up and quit playing sports and become fans, this logic doesn't pertain to them anymore. There is no part of the game we can control or work on to get better.

There is nothing wrong with getting on the refs for blowing calls that changed to outcome of the game. In fact, its better to blame a grown man who gets paid money to do what he does for blowing a call as simple as a player putting his hand in the net than it is to blame a kid who misses a free throw with the pressure of 15000 fans watching, knowing if you miss it you let down them, your coach, and your team.
 
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