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hawkinn3 said:
They were really chirping about playoffs after they limped past us. Despite how they have cratered I don’t think it was a bad loss since we were still figuring shit out at the time. We play them now I guarantee we win.
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JoeyLabasForPresident said:
I'm pleased the first playoff ranking comes out this week ahead of the Oregon game. I think the Hawks get respect from the committee and slot into the 16-18 range.
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With ISU continuing to lose, I don't see us cracking the Top 20, but think we'll be in the Top 25. Our scores compare favorably with Oregon's vs common opponents Indiana, Wisconsin, and Penn St. They did beat Rutgers far worse than we did.
 


Michigan State got absolutely screwed in OT at MN. Throwing a pass on 4th and 3 from outside the 10 yd line, video clearly showed a MN defender literally pulling the Sparty WRs jersey 2 ft away from his body, and the pass in the EZ was incomplete by inches. The back judge saw it clearly and immediately called PI and threw the flag. Fleck ran onto the field and for a solid two minutes jumped up and down on the field like a child throwing a tantrum. The refs huddled, then they picked up the flag -- not calling it incomplete, not a penalty, and simply insisted that 4th and 3 be played over again. Something about the WR's "progress not be hampered" even tho he was held, or something like that. Unbelieveable. Don't think I've ever seen that. And it very likely cost Sparty the game.
 




Grady said:
Michigan State got absolutely screwed in OT at MN. Throwing a pass on 4th and 3 from outside the 10 yd line, video clearly showed a MN defender literally pulling the Sparty WRs jersey 2 ft away from his body, and the pass in the EZ was incomplete by inches. The back judge saw it clearly and immediately called PI and threw the flag. Fleck ran onto the field and for a solid two minutes jumped up and down on the field like a child throwing a tantrum. The refs huddled, then they picked up the flag -- not calling it incomplete, not a penalty, and simply insisted that 4th and 3 be played over again. Something about the WR's "progress not be hampered" even tho he was held, or something like that. Unbelieveable. Don't think I've ever seen that. And it very likely cost Sparty the game.
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It was 3rd down when they decided to pick up the flag. Still got screwed. Even in OT, the last Minnesota TD was iffy due to their QB stepping out as he got to the goal line. Hard to say whether ball had crossed. Fleck was all smiles and giddy after the game.
 


HawkeyeHypnosis said:
It was 3rd down when they decided to pick up the flag. Still got screwed. Even in OT, the last Minnesota TD was iffy due to their QB stepping out as he got to the goal line. Hard to say whether ball had crossed. Fleck was all smiles and giddy after the game.
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Minnesota gets extremely lucky on late game, controversial calls. Just ask Cooper DeJean.
 




Did anyone else catch the Florida-Georgia game? There were two plays that were about as close as I've ever seen on replay.

The first was a Georgia running back stretching the ball out as he was tackled and losing control of the ball. Call on the field was down by contact, but the replay shows the ball coming loose literally a split second before he was down.

The second was a desperation pass by Florida that got hung up. The receiver fell as he was trying to come back to the ball. He reached out and the ball hit his forearms as they were on the turf. It was ruled incomplete. On replay, the close up view from the rear shows the ball landing in his arms sideways and even though you don't see the midportion of the ball, there doesn't appear to be enough room between the forearms for it to hit the grass.

In both cases, the call on the field was upheld due to lack of clear evidence, which I get, but, man, looking close at the replays in slo-mo, I think the call on the field was incorrect both times. Both were HUGE plays in the game.
 


#1DieHardHawk said:
Did anyone else catch the Florida-Georgia game? There were two plays that were about as close as I've ever seen on replay.

The first was a Georgia running back stretching the ball out as he was tackled and losing control of the ball. Call on the field was down by contact, but the replay shows the ball coming loose literally a split second before he was down.

The second was a desperation pass by Florida that got hung up. The receiver fell as he was trying to come back to the ball. He reached out and the ball hit his forearms as they were on the turf. It was ruled incomplete. On replay, the close up view from the rear shows the ball landing in his arms sideways and even though you don't see the midportion of the ball, there doesn't appear to be enough room between the forearms for it to hit the grass.

In both cases, the call on the field was upheld due to lack of clear evidence, which I get, but, man, looking close at the replays in slo-mo, I think the call on the field was incorrect both times. Both were HUGE plays in the game.
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This is what I don't always like about replay. There is sometimes too much deference to "it has to be overwhelming evidence to overturn the call on the field". Half the time, the refs on the field are just guessing and waiting for replay to bail them out.
 


haydensly said:
This is what I don't always like about replay. There is sometimes too much deference to "it has to be overwhelming evidence to overturn the call on the field". Half the time, the refs on the field are just guessing and waiting for replay to bail them out.
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In fairness, it's kind of a, "damned if you do, damned if you don't," scenario for them.

It's impossible to take subjectivity out of it. Even "clear evidence" is open to interpretation. In the majority of cases, replay works, and, without it, a higher percentage of teams will get screwed, but there's no way to make the system perfect.

The two plays in that game, though, were about as close as I've ever seen on replays. Crazy.
 


#1DieHardHawk said:
Did anyone else catch the Florida-Georgia game? There were two plays that were about as close as I've ever seen on replay.

The first was a Georgia running back stretching the ball out as he was tackled and losing control of the ball. Call on the field was down by contact, but the replay shows the ball coming loose literally a split second before he was down.

The second was a desperation pass by Florida that got hung up. The receiver fell as he was trying to come back to the ball. He reached out and the ball hit his forearms as they were on the turf. It was ruled incomplete. On replay, the close up view from the rear shows the ball landing in his arms sideways and even though you don't see the midportion of the ball, there doesn't appear to be enough room between the forearms for it to hit the grass.

In both cases, the call on the field was upheld due to lack of clear evidence, which I get, but, man, looking close at the replays in slo-mo, I think the call on the field was incorrect both times. Both were HUGE plays in the game.
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I didn’t see the game but I did happen to see these highlights and wow. The catch for sure could have been overturned but I can see why they kept the call. The pass was so deep, would have been TD if could have gotten it out there in stride. Too bad the overhead camera wasn’t in position to see his how close forearms were together.
 




haydensly said:
This is what I don't always like about replay. There is sometimes too much deference to "it has to be overwhelming evidence to overturn the call on the field". Half the time, the refs on the field are just guessing and waiting for replay to bail them out.
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Agreed. I do think in the early days, officials in the field were absolutely "erring on the side of replay." And I thought that was bad.

But, I also think that the call on the field, which...as you say...is guesswork...is wrong too.

Maybe there's a third option. Of a ref making a call, but some sort of "deferral call'. Like, outright admitting they had to make a call, but fully admit they were just going with their gut?

I dunno. Surprising how good they generally are. Not that they don't ever get overturned. Like that SMU catch. Probably a catch. End result is true...there wasn't enough to overturn. But, if that official was leaning 2" to his left or right...he might have called it a catch. We'll never know. Yet, if he also said he saw the laces of the ball scrape the turf while the receiver's left pinky was wiggling...I'd believe him.

I just wish they'd call holding. As boring as it would make the game...until teams stopped holding. Which would then make for exciting games.
 


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