Is the Super 64 NCAA Football Party Already Set?



I just don't see a conference kicking out a long standing member, for instance Vanderbilt from the SEC and Duke from the ACC. How does a conference go about kicking a long standing member out of the conference in football.

The clowns are screwed blued and tattooed. There is no way they would get one of the coveted spots. For one thing, what conference would they be in? If college football goes to 64 teams, the Big 12 is not going to be one of the conferences. That means the ever hungry clowns, dressed in rags, are outside the fancy restaurant in the rain with their face pressed against the window watching the rest of the college teams eating a fine meal. They simply have no where to go.
 


NewMexHawk said:
I just don't see a conference kicking out a long standing member, for instance Vanderbilt from the SEC and Duke from the ACC. How does a conference go about kicking a long standing member out of the conference in football.

The clowns are screwed blued and tattooed. There is no way they would get one of the coveted spots. For one thing, what conference would they be in? If college football goes to 64 teams, the Big 12 is not going to be one of the conferences. That means the ever hungry clowns, dressed in rags, are outside the fancy restaurant in the rain with their face pressed against the window watching the rest of the college teams eating a fine meal. They simply have no where to go.
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I don't think its a matter of kicking anyone out. The Big Ten, Pac 12 and SEC will 'control' three of the four leagues...which bodes well for a Vanderbilt. There will be another league that is sort of a hybrid Big East/ACC and other leftovers.
 


I keep thinking there should be a conference with BC, ND, TCU, SMU, BYU, Nova, Baylor, and the service academies.

They could get their own TV contract and also would do well with respect to attendance.
 


Everything is happening as I have foreseen it...soon the super-cons will announce payments for players, and a new NCAA football division will be born, with its own playoff structure.

Good times for those of us on the inside.

I suppose for the bubble teams, you'll need to take a good hard look at their AD incomes and sources of the revenue to help decide who will make the cut, not just football attendance. But I agree that that is the easiest and most readily apparent marker available w/o a lot of research. Seeing if any of the bubble teams are living in a BCS TV coverage "hole" would be helpful as well. This could be important for an otherwise irrelevant program like Boise, which is the only program between Minnesota, Washington, and Colorado to have a shot. They might be worth it to bring the upper rockies into the tv market.
 


There maybe one too many conferences, but four sixteen conferences is a horrible idea. There are some mighty big corporations in this country with boards of directors (Presidents) and chief executive officers (commissioner). I do not believe any Board of Directors with 16 members is workable in business, you would never to able to accomplish anything with a board that large. Too many interpersonal relationships and egos. The U of Texas comes to mind.

Organization can get too large. That is why units are spun off and acquisitions and mergers occur. Conference realignment should be about making stronger conferences not larger ones. The Big Ten became stronger when it went to 12 teams, but any larger and it starts to create diminishing returns.

If the Big Ten can keep the Big East and ACC around it can forge an alliance with those two conferences to check the SEC and PAC. A 12 team Big East, a 12 team ACC and 12 team Big Ten offers a much better alternative in my estimation.
 


PhoenixHawk said:
Everything is happening as I have foreseen it...soon the super-cons will announce payments for players, and a new NCAA football division will be born, with its own playoff structure.
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Sorry, a playoff is still not gonna happen. This actually makes a playoff less likely as the power would be solely in the hands of the power conference commissioners and presidents, who aren't changing and are currently vehemently opposed to a playoff.

Super conferences would be a bad, bad idea.
 


eyekwah said:
There maybe one too many conferences, but four sixteen conferences is a horrible idea. There are some mighty big corporations in this country with boards of directors (Presidents) and chief executive officers (commissioner). I do not believe any Board of Directors with 16 members is workable in business, you would never to able to accomplish anything with a board that large. Too many interpersonal relationships and egos. The U of Texas comes to mind.

Organization can get too large. That is why units are spun off and acquisitions and mergers occur. Conference realignment should be about making stronger conferences not larger ones. The Big Ten became stronger when it went to 12 teams, but any larger and it starts to create diminishing returns.

If the Big Ten can keep the Big East and ACC around it can forge an alliance with those two conferences to check the SEC and PAC. A 12 team Big East, a 12 team ACC and 12 team Big Ten offers a much better alternative in my estimation.
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Agree with this 100% and thankfully Delany seems to agree (via Teddy Greenstein) that 12 is the right number.
 


If/when the super conferences happen, I am almost sure that CFB will quickly drop down on my list of sports favs to watch. The rich will get richer and it will become like MLB with no salary cap.........the same power teams every year competing for the championship. Sorry, but one of the things I have loved about the college game is parity. That is becoming more and more irrelevant every year now that the almighty dollar is becoming God in amateur athletics. Good luck to the bottom feeders in the "select 64", yes Northwestern, you will get the money, but never the fame!

Side note: Northwestern = Vandy, Wash St., Wake Forest, and all the other "little" guys in the power conferences.
 


bud2380 said:
Sorry, a playoff is still not gonna happen. This actually makes a playoff less likely as the power would be solely in the hands of the power conference commissioners and presidents, who aren't changing and are currently vehemently opposed to a playoff.

Super conferences would be a bad, bad idea.
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A playoff will make more money and cut out all the middle men. It will happen.
 


I have two thoughts on this...

1. If this comes to pass I think there will be even more parity in college football. Most of the 64 teams will get more money than they are getting now thanks to massive tv deals and its hard to think every decent recruit in the country wouldn't only look at these 64 programs. Or....

1A. To counter my own point with only 64 teams there is alot less opportunity for a team to rise out of the basement of a conference. With only 64 viable teams (by viable I mean with a shot at a NC and good tv exposure) every recruit will be fought for, every program examined, and every play broken down. College football rewards winning and the rich get richer. Its hard to believe bottom feeder teams ever work their way up.
 


hawkinn3 said:
I have two thoughts on this...

1. If this comes to pass I think there will be even more parity in college football. Most of the 64 teams will get more money than they are getting now thanks to massive tv deals and its hard to think every decent recruit in the country wouldn't only look at these 64 programs. Or....

1A. To counter my own point with only 64 teams there is alot less opportunity for a team to rise out of the basement of a conference. With only 64 viable teams (by viable I mean with a shot at a NC and good tv exposure) every recruit will be fought for, every program examined, and every play broken down. College football rewards winning and the rich get richer. Its hard to believe bottom feeder teams ever work their way up.
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1A is more likely. Reason being, if all conference teams are making equal money for the season but BCS Bowls payout 16-20 million while the "lesser" bowls payout 2-3 million........the rich still get richer.
 




This makes me sick to my stomach. This is going to ruin college football if it happens. Texas is really making a mess of things by forcing everyone out of their conference.
 




JonDMiller said:
I took a look at each of the current BCS conferences through the prism of things eventually getting to four, 16-team 'leagues'. I think that's where we are headed, it will just be a matter of when.

You will be surprised at just how few seats there will be at the table for bubble teams, and you may be surprised just how few bubble slots there even are.

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I was just having a conversation with a friend about this today. I believe there is no "if" in this situation, only a when.

My only question is who will the B10 go after? ND will certainly get an offer. Will they accept or will they go with the ACC/Big East combo conference?

Also, will academic reputation be a factor? If it is, that leaves few options outside of ND from the midwest. Don't really now what Rutgers and Syracuse bring academically but on the field they don't measure up and won't be much benefit in making the conference stronger.

The way I see it, the PAC 12 adds OK, OSU, Texas, & TT.

SEC grabs Ta&m, FSU, Miami, & the lucky winner of Clemson, VaTech, or GT.

Very little left over for the B10 to grab to match up on the field.
 


DunderMifflinHk said:
It will make more money for the NCAA, but will kill the bowls.
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Which is why it hasn't happened. I was trying to get a response from the poster thinking it was inevitable because it makes more money. The NCAA makes virtually no money from college football. With a playoff they would and the ability to control who gets the money would shift from the conference presidents to the NCAA. Something no BCS president wants.
 




notafan said:
Side note: Northwestern = Vandy, Wash St., Wake Forest, and all the other "little" guys in the power conferences.
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I don't see it that way for the reason I stated; the Big Ten owns its own network...and therefore they are operating from a position of supreme strength and will call every shot, and that includes keeping NW
 


CAARHawk said:
I just hope they get it done quickly so we can stop talking about it.
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Absolutely, Superconferences or what we all ready have, bowls, playoffs, +1s, blah, blah... Just make the decisions and get to it.

We had to wait nearly 20 years for the B10 to get their heads out of their butts and get a 12th team. They finally fixed things and now the whole balance of NCAA FB is complete uncertainty.
 


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