Duck Hunt at Kinnick Slaughter...Fly High, Hawks
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Wundershozen
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It must've been delayed, I was referring to the over-turned 2pt conversion. Looked like heel was in
I can't say it was in. But I have no proof it was out. Therefore, by rule the olay should stand?
It was a fumble.
But the officials also missed a holding/pass interference and and obvious face mask on Oregon that would have done quite a bit for Iowa.
#1DieHardHawk
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It's been a long time since I've seen a Phil Parker defense miss that many tackles.
Obviously, there were other factors (long snapper, Moulton strangely jumping on that 2-point conversion, Gronowski inexplicably forgetting how to throw a football at times, miracle throw/catch on that last drive, etc.), but if you had to point to one thing - it was the tackling.
We make just half of those missed tackles, we win the game. smh
Obviously, there were other factors (long snapper, Moulton strangely jumping on that 2-point conversion, Gronowski inexplicably forgetting how to throw a football at times, miracle throw/catch on that last drive, etc.), but if you had to point to one thing - it was the tackling.
We make just half of those missed tackles, we win the game. smh
#1DieHardHawk
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When taking a normal step, the toe of the shoe counts as part of the foot "down," so it was out. If he had kept the heal up while sliding out of bounds and never completed a normal stepping motion, it would have been in.
What's weird is if you watch the replay, Moulton actually jumped when the ball was secured and threw his feet out. In fairness, catching on edges is not his thing, but he had no reason to jump.
As far as officiating, I think we received a favorable spot on that 4th-down Gron run, so there were calls both ways. That said, on that long run by their QB, Sharar was blatantly held when disengaging and would have made the tackle. That miss was big.
trj
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In real time I thought it was weird. Now watching the replay a few times not sure what Moulton was doing with that “long jump” after he caught it. He didn’t need to do it.
Wundershozen
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HuckFinn
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Wow!
If you have to point to one thing, it was Parker refusing to put a 5th Hawk at the LOS to stop the Duck run game! After surrendering over 140 yds on the ground in the 1st half, and it was clear after the first series that Oregon's strategy for the entire game was 'run the ball', I thought for sure Parker would come out the 2nd half and make them one-dimensional....but nope, came out with 4 DLinemen, and OR continued to pound it down our throats. Stupid stubbornness by Phil cost us that game -- they ran for 120+ yds in the 2nd half.
HawkeyeHypnosis
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I don’t think it was stubbornness. He didn’t want to get beat over the top which Oregon is more than capable of. There were a handful of snaps where the main starting lineman were getting a short rest. The D did almost everything right. Phil can’t be blamed for our D slipping off tackles in what ended up being super wet game.
thedukeofearl
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That was the ball game
The coverage was excellent
The Toss was perfect
If Only TJ had glanced at the ball he could have knocked it down or even intercepted the damn thing
He was in lock step coverage the entire play
The Indiana game also came down to a horrible pass on first down, thrown in panic while swarmed by defenders into absolute coverage
Throw it away, horrible call, and use two downs to get closer to FG territory while using the time clock
Two MFing plays that cost us 2 essential games
Onward and upward, Lads
Go Hawks
Onward and Upward, Lads
#1DieHardHawk
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This was my response to the same in the other thread:
"Adding another defender at the LOS would simply have put us in a position to be hit over the top with play-action, and Phil knew it.
Our defensive line, perhaps other than Llewellyn, was completely dominated yesterday. Oregon quickly figured out that they could control our linemen with single blockers, freeing up the remaining linemen to get to the second level over and over and over. Once we lost the ability to two-gap, Sharar and Montgomery had no chance, leaving the DBs to make the tackles 8 yards down the field.
The talent gap was just too much to overcome. Perhaps if we had four Aaron Graves, but we don't.
That said, even when the opportunity in the gap was there, several of our defensive players repeatedly missed tackles that should have been made. That's the thing that will bother Phil the most."
Fryowa
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I don't remember a time when I've seen Iowa play a bigger OL than Oregon's Those front 5 were absolutely massive. No replacement for displacement. They were about as big as that Minnesota OL back in the day, only more athletic and skilled.
HawkPowerlifter
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1. The safety
2. The Wetjen fumble
3. The infamous heel tap on 2 point conversion
KF said it and it's been a cliche forever about the game being a "game of inches" and that was exactly it. Iowa drug Oregon into a street fight and did what they needed to do. Unfortunately, Iowa also operates with a thin margin of error. Against good teams, you just cannot do that or you take the L.
Gronk starting off slow was tough too because Iowa also seems to be a team that plays off emotion. He even said post game they like to start fast on offense.
I did see some positives though. That offense marched 93 yards in the 4th quarter to take the lead. Beyond a few poor throws, Gronk made a couple very nice throws. I thought the game played out much like I expected.
I was a bit shocked how well they ran the ball, but overall it was heckuva game. Tough one to lose. Made that walk back to the parking lot a long walk. I think I got feeling back in my toes about the time we got back to my vehicle.
2. The Wetjen fumble
3. The infamous heel tap on 2 point conversion
KF said it and it's been a cliche forever about the game being a "game of inches" and that was exactly it. Iowa drug Oregon into a street fight and did what they needed to do. Unfortunately, Iowa also operates with a thin margin of error. Against good teams, you just cannot do that or you take the L.
Gronk starting off slow was tough too because Iowa also seems to be a team that plays off emotion. He even said post game they like to start fast on offense.
I did see some positives though. That offense marched 93 yards in the 4th quarter to take the lead. Beyond a few poor throws, Gronk made a couple very nice throws. I thought the game played out much like I expected.
I was a bit shocked how well they ran the ball, but overall it was heckuva game. Tough one to lose. Made that walk back to the parking lot a long walk. I think I got feeling back in my toes about the time we got back to my vehicle.
Fryowa
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I mentioned in another thread that this game would come down to the little things. Small details and mistakes. The two bad snaps and fumble were it.
I'm not one of those guys who believes that mistakes cancel out between teams. Those bad snaps and safety happening right off the hop made Iowa have to play different style of football because you're behind right away. The first one if Dakin could've pinned them they may not have gotten the yardage back that they did. The second one is self-explanatory. I'm changing snappers this week if it's me. Conditions weren't an excuse, both teams play in it and when the pressure's on you can't fail. You definitely can't fail twice.
I'm not one of those guys who believes that mistakes cancel out between teams. Those bad snaps and safety happening right off the hop made Iowa have to play different style of football because you're behind right away. The first one if Dakin could've pinned them they may not have gotten the yardage back that they did. The second one is self-explanatory. I'm changing snappers this week if it's me. Conditions weren't an excuse, both teams play in it and when the pressure's on you can't fail. You definitely can't fail twice.
HawkPowerlifter
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Spot on. The missed tackles was frustrating, but your assessment was correct. Their line was getting to the second level which sprung them.
#1DieHardHawk
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That's good. Haven't heard that one before.
The point is well-taken. It all starts at the line of scrimmage. Lose that battle, and it's typically game over.
It seems like almost every season, we have one solid DT mixed in with some capable but not game-changing tackles. That should be a recruiting/portal priority moving forward. If our tackles can't keep the LBs clean, it's going to put way too much pressure on the offense.
Fryowa
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Even if they call that good, I don't like Iowa's chances in OT. We were outmatched physically up front by a mile. Gotta play a 100% clean game to beat Oregon. We all knew that going in and the chances weren't good for mistake-free football. The frustrating part was it was all self-inflicted stuff. It'd be different if the mistakes were forced but they weren't This game went about how I expected it to. They kept it close but got beat by a better football team with more size and athleticism. Going by the amount of money they spend and the resources they have, the Hawks punched above their weight.