Smile, you're on candid camera... at Kinnick
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Hawkfromnorwalk
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I'm more concerned about the doctor in the article who is an Iowa alum but cheers for the clowns and is a doctor in Ames. He must run an STD clinic.
ArizonaHawkeye88
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1984!! Big brother is watching!!
IowaBanker
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Folks, I'm pretty confident in saying that this has been happening for some time now.
tm3308
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Oh, but they've got time to usher students out of the aisles when it's standing room only (like during the Michigan game). I got kicked back probably 20+ rows because I got nudged out of my spot. I didn't really fight to keep it (figured I didn't want to mess with some drunk idiot and sent to the holding cells for my trouble). But they were right on top of that stuff. But anything else? Yeah, pretty worthless.
DeputyHawk
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For those who are making fun of this, just wait til its you dealing with a drunk or being harassed by someone. You will be glad these cameras exist.
hawkdrummer1
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Insanity is a symptom of advanced syphillis.
Kidding aside. The guy lives in Ames and is an ISU fan. What more do you need to know about his "perspective"?
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Hawkfromnorwalk
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Kissing? Whoa buddy. You're a good guy and all but I think we're moving a little to fast here.
This. It has been happening, but not by cameras. I went to the Iowa/NU game in 2002 and I brought in a flask. I always took it easy when I was at games. I hate the drunk beligerant fans like everybody else. A spotter in the student section was placed and saw me. I got taken out and they told me I could either get rid of the flask or talk to the cops.
Pretty easy in 2 ways. One, who wants that. Two, Iowa was already up 28-0.
What was kind of funny was that I was tailgating with an off duty cop from Cedar Rapids.
In review, there wasn't video back then, but there was still another eye on you.
ShadasRevenge
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This is correct. The people who are complaining about this are the same type of people who complain about the traffic cameras on the freeway.
hawkdrummer1
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You beat me to it. Though your decimal point is off quite a bit. It's .056% if you use the official attendance of 70,585. Or roughly 1 out of every 1,765 people. But the article said 30-40 so let's go with 35, which is .0495% or 1 out of every 2016 (and that was for "big games"...not necessarily a season average number)
Using last years attendance in Ames, it's 8/game against an avg attendance of 46,242 which is .0173% ... or 1 out of every 5780 at ISU.
But take into account:
1. How spread out things are in Ames. As many studies have shown, you get people in a more crowded area, and they tend to get a little crazier. There's often an "exponential" factor as crowds get bigger. The more anonymous people are, the more likely to act up.
2. The simple fact that things are much more intense in Iowa City. Success has its price, the bandwagon jerks are unavoidable. People just want to be around a big time event. ISU football just isn't as big a deal as Iowa football is.
3. And since our samples don't have the same controls (how many of those "citations" in Ames would have been arrests in Iowa City?) stats aren't necessarily comparable. The season total of 48 arrests for ISU is an actual number. The article quoted 30-40 (an estimate) for a "Big" game weekend in Iowa City. For all we know, that number drops significantly for a Ball St or Indiana game.
Either way, the perception that Iowa is so much worse is overblown. But as we all know...clones will grasp at ANYTHING to say they're better.
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hawkeye12345
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Let me tell you a personal story about surveillance at Kinnick. Back during the '90-'91 season I was a Soph at Iowa. This was the season that we went to the Rose bowl and our final home game was against Purdue. During this game I drank a little too much Mad Dog and was really enjoying myself. After the game, the fans stormed the field and both goal posts were taken to the ground. It was during this mayhem that 29 people were arrested on the field, I was one of them. The difference being 28 of them were charged with public intox and one was charged with inciting a riot....want to guess who was charged with this felony? If you guess me then you win.....
What does this have to do with surveillance at Kinnick you say? I had a civil case and criminal case against me and my attny was telling me that going to lose even though I told everyone under the sun that I had nothing to do with the damage, the goal posts nor the injury to the security worker (civil case).
I believe there were 9 depositions from the security staff including the head of security all stating that I was the lynch pin to the 'riot' that happened that day. It was my word against theirs and of course who was going to believe a college student over all of these professionals, right?
Anyway...long story short there was a surveillance camera that was panning the crowd that day. That surveillance camera verified everything that i was saying as true. That surveillance camera somehow founds it way into my attnys hand the day before trial. I don't know who got it to him nor do I care today how it got there but I was grateful that there was surveillance at Kinnick back in Nov. '90.
What does this have to do with surveillance at Kinnick you say? I had a civil case and criminal case against me and my attny was telling me that going to lose even though I told everyone under the sun that I had nothing to do with the damage, the goal posts nor the injury to the security worker (civil case).
I believe there were 9 depositions from the security staff including the head of security all stating that I was the lynch pin to the 'riot' that happened that day. It was my word against theirs and of course who was going to believe a college student over all of these professionals, right?
Anyway...long story short there was a surveillance camera that was panning the crowd that day. That surveillance camera verified everything that i was saying as true. That surveillance camera somehow founds it way into my attnys hand the day before trial. I don't know who got it to him nor do I care today how it got there but I was grateful that there was surveillance at Kinnick back in Nov. '90.
Hawkfromnorwalk
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On another part of this whole crackdown issue...
When it comes to the DUI/OWI checkpoints that were introduced, according to this website and several others, Iowa and a handful of other states are the only ones where it is unconstitutional to hold such checkpoints. I wonder if Barta and Mason checked up on this before proposing them.
State Sobriety Checkpoint Laws
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Here is the MADD website that confirms this.
https://secure2.convio.net/madd/site/Advocacy?JServSessionIdr006=opidkknv13.app14b&id=139
When it comes to the DUI/OWI checkpoints that were introduced, according to this website and several others, Iowa and a handful of other states are the only ones where it is unconstitutional to hold such checkpoints. I wonder if Barta and Mason checked up on this before proposing them.
State Sobriety Checkpoint Laws
**Edit**
Here is the MADD website that confirms this.
https://secure2.convio.net/madd/site/Advocacy?JServSessionIdr006=opidkknv13.app14b&id=139
As far as the cameras in Kinnick and close by, I'm a crazy anti big brother type but that said these cameras are not that big of a deal. They are not going to look at individual people where there is no problems. But they will focus on problem areas. Fact is we are being watched all the time in many public places. Does not mean I like it but it's just the way it is.
latrans
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I'm guessing that the check points will not be on public roads but at the entrance/exit of parking lots which makes all the difference. The 'saftey' check point thing holds no water as the U of I has stated that they will be looking for drunk drivers, clearly the intent is for it to be an OWI check point but the fact that it is on U of I property vs a public road makes that point moot.
latrans
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Did you sue the U of I? Where the security guys charged with perjury? Kinda seems like there was some willful and organized intent to knowingly send an innocent person to jail.
