One Last Time: Starting 5

[NikeHawk21]

We’ve discussed this many times but I thought one last time before our first “game” would be interesting to see where everyone is at.

PG - JBo
G - Moss
F - Wagner
F - Cook
C - Garza

 

[ibahawkeye]

I'm still puzzled on how the starting lineup and rotation are going to work.

I think we have Cook, Pemsl, Nunge and Wagner who are all best suited to play the 4. I think Wagner is athletic enough that he can transition to the 3 on Defense but when you look at the offense, it's tough to not have an outside shooting threat at one of the wing positions. When Nunge plays the 3, I could see more zone D because of his length as he'd probably struggle to defend an opposing team's wing man to man on the outside.

Not as a starting lineup but I almost prefer a smaller line up as opposed to Wagner at the 3.
JBo
Ellingson
Moss
Cook
Garza

I have concerns of Nunge/Wagner forced to play the 3. If you play them with Cook/Pemsl at the 4, in my opinion, there's not enough shooters and the bigs won't have room to work and the driving lanes won't be open either.

 

[UncleHawk]

One last time:
Garza, Cook, Baer, Moss, Bohannon

 

[NikeHawk21]

I'm still puzzled on how the starting lineup and rotation are going to work.

I think we have Cook, Pemsl, Nunge and Wagner who are all best suited to play the 4. I think Wagner is athletic enough that he can transition to the 3 on Defense but when you look at the offense, it's tough to not have an outside shooting threat at one of the wing positions. When Nunge plays the 3, I could see more zone D because of his length as he'd probably struggle to defend an opposing team's wing man to man on the outside.

Not as a starting lineup but I almost prefer a smaller line up as opposed to Wagner at the 3.
JBo
Ellingson
Moss
Cook
Garza

I have concerns of Nunge/Wagner forced to play the 3. If you play them with Cook/Pemsl at the 4, in my opinion, there's not enough shooters and the bigs won't have room to work and the driving lanes won't be open either.

I do agree their is importance for outside shooting.

Interesting to bring up Marble’s senior season though. That year White started at the 3, and only made 8 3s all season. Iowa ranked 5th in Adjusted offense according to KenPom that season. Iowa killed teams with their size that year.

Edit: that just gave me an idea. That team and this years team are very similar in many ways.

 

[PCHawk]

I do agree their is importance for outside shooting.

Interesting to bring up Marble’s senior season though. That year White started at the 3, and only made 8 3s all season. Iowa ranked 5th in Adjusted offense according to KenPom that season. Iowa killed teams with their size that year.

Edit: that just gave me an idea. That team and this years team are very similar in many ways.

When you don't win, there is always going to be a weakness fans can't point to and say "you can't win with that". That year it was not having a 3 point shooter at the 3. Last year it was a penetrating point guard. Your numbers show it wasn't true. That's why I hope Nunge ends up being our starting 3 at some point in his career. Shooting can come and go. But length is always an advantage. Imagine a starting 5 of Garza, Cook, Nunge, Weiscamp, and Bohannon.

 

[ibahawkeye]

When you don't win, there is always going to be a weakness fans can't point to and say "you can't win with that". That year it was not having a 3 point shooter at the 3. Last year it was a penetrating point guard. Your numbers show it wasn't true. That's why I hope Nunge ends up being our starting 3 at some point in his career. Shooting can come and go. But length is always an advantage. Imagine a starting 5 of Garza, Cook, Nunge, Weiscamp, and Bohannon.

I just got a little excited thinking about that lineup.

 

[ibahawkeye]

When you don't win, there is always going to be a weakness fans can't point to and say "you can't win with that". That year it was not having a 3 point shooter at the 3. Last year it was a penetrating point guard. Your numbers show it wasn't true. That's why I hope Nunge ends up being our starting 3 at some point in his career. Shooting can come and go. But length is always an advantage. Imagine a starting 5 of Garza, Cook, Nunge, Weiscamp, and Bohannon.

Garza, Cook, Nunge, Moss and Bohannon might be the lineup before Weiskamp gets here

 

[ibahawkeye]

One last time:
Garza, Cook, Baer, Moss, Bohannon

I'm gonna go with this... Baer has said he prefers to start. Fran more than owes it to the kid to give him a shot at it. But if the bench struggles early in the year or the starters just aren't jelling, I'm sure Baer wouldn't mind going back to the 6th role if it was for the better for the team. Baer knows he'll be in the game when it matters.

 

[InGoodCo]

Garza, Cook, Baer, Moss, Bohannon - we're too deep of a bench and front court to need to use Baer as a bench energy guy IMO - i want our best 5 on the floor to start games.

 

[FirstDownHawkeyes]

To start the year I see:

JBo
Moss
Wagner
Cook
Garza

I just don’t see how you bench a guy that was a starter most of last season and is your best defender when defense is what needs the most improvement.

I could see Baer/Pemsl/Nunge being the 5th starter by the year’s end. I salivate at the idea of it being Nunge bc of what is upside is and whatbthat would necessarily mean about his impact.

However, that 5th starter will be a one year starter being bumped out of the lineup to make room for Weiskamp. He’s that good.

 

[Hawkfnntn]

I'm about 90% sure that Garza is going to start so the only question is the 3 and how does Fran juggle that. From what I saw him say during BIG media days it sounded like he wasn't really leaning either direction but bringing Baer off the bench was possible. Either way he'll play a ton. But if he doesn't it's between Wagner and who else? Nunge is about the only other possibility other then Ellingson if they were to go small. Nunge is such an X factor who I think will have 5 times more of an impact later in the year then he will the start of it. (Kinda like JBo last yr)

 

[PCHawk]

Garza, Cook, Baer, Moss, Bohannon - we're too deep of a bench and front court to need to use Baer as a bench energy guy IMO - i want our best 5 on the floor to start games.

I don't know why people say it doesn't matter who starts. It's hard to get starter minutes and stay rested if you don't start the game.

 

[NikeHawk21]

I don't know why people say it doesn't matter who starts. It's hard to get starter minutes and stay rested if you don't start the game.

23-25 minutes is right where I think Baer should be in order to remain effective. He got that last year as 6th man.

 

[Hawkfnntn]

23-25 minutes is right where I think Baer should be in order to remain effective. He got that last year as 6th man.

I agree anything closer to 30 and over and he'll lose his effectiveness. Having him play his arse off for 3-4 min spurts through out the game is great. Having him go 2 strait TV timeouts would slow him down just with his style it's tough to maintain that for long stretches

 

[QChawkness]

I'm hoping for Wagner over Baer. I just think he brings more defensive versatility. I look at it like, would you rather have Baer or Ahmad matched up against Miles Bridges?

 

[mopkins]

I don't think its "one last time". Would anyone really be shocked to see Dom in the starting lineup for the 1st exhibition game of his senior season? I wouldn't.

I think the official starting lineup for Game 1 of the regular season will be:

Bohannon
Moss
Wagner
Cook
Garza

 

[mopkins]

Garza, Cook, Baer, Moss, Bohannon - we're too deep of a bench and front court to need to use Baer as a bench energy guy IMO - i want our best 5 on the floor to start games.

I just think you need a guy like Wagner in there who's going to play solid defense, set screens and grab rebounds. Fran's motion offense sets a ton of screens. Why start out with Baer or Cook or Garza setting screens when Wagner is the perfect guy for that. Baer will still get his minutes...just like he did last year.

Last year Fran almost never used Moss in crunch time. He clearly trusted Ellingson more to handle the ball and play defense. So even though Moss started, Ellingson still played similar minutes (14 vs 17). Baer will obviously be in at the end of the game over Wagner. I think too much emphasis is being placed on who starts

 

[Hawk5656]

Jordan
Moss
Baer
Cook
Garza

 

[PCHawk]

23-25 minutes is right where I think Baer should be in order to remain effective. He got that last year as 6th man.

I know we've been over this, but why have Baer only be able to be effective for 23-25 minutes as a backup when he can be effective for more minutes as a starter?

 

[Tierney]

It is possible that Baer can't crack the starting five. Baer is pretty good, but Iowa has a lot of talented players. There are guys that might have made a big jump since last year.