Spot on article about new Kirk
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GesterHawk
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Wow, was that written by one of the Anti-KF crowd? That was one giant backhanded compliment.
tksirius
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It's all in the eye of the beholder.
New Kirk in a nut shell. Pretty much a MOR article there. Made me think that any contract extension terms should wait until the season is over. Also made me think that if KF makes some similar, seemingly minor, changes this season then 10+ wins is a distinct possibility.
Motigerhawk
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This is a big season. Every team that had expectations failed to meet them. This season there are expectations, though not huge expectations. Whats the over under for wins? 8.5? That is a normal Kirk season.
And I agree with bitmap about a contract extension. Wait. If this team fails to win the West, no contract extension should be given.
And I agree with bitmap about a contract extension. Wait. If this team fails to win the West, no contract extension should be given.
Thawki
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Are you saying he should work with a four year contract after this season if it isn't good enough? Coaches always have at least four, if not five years so coaches cannot say the other guy doesn't have job security.
All KF needs going forward is a five-year deal at the start of every season. If we do give him a longer deal it certainly doesn't need to be one that ties us to him financially.
We don't need to make it longer than that because we don't have to worry about keeping him longer than that, based upon his age. He will retire within eight to ten (at most) years of now in all likelihood. We don't need to give him eight years right now to keep him here at this point.
But he should always have five years on his deal, for obvious reasons.
IAHAWK1982
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I'm not entirely sure where I stand on the contract extension, but lean toward getting it done. If you look at one of the things that these high recruits for 2017 are saying they like about Iowa, it's the stability of the coaching staff. Kids commit believing that the coach will be there when they graduate.
Motigerhawk
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I am absolutely saying no extension if we dont win the B1G West. Everyone knows he is close to retiring. Even recruits I imagine. If he cant get a team to play up to expectations AGAIN, then he doesnt need to be our coach anymore.
I like him. I like what he has done for the most part. Im glad he is finally adapting to the CF world. But there is a huge red flag on his resume if he fails to prepare his team to be what they should be.
So, let him retire before or on 2020 and then bring in the new guy.
Yes, I get the recruiting ramifications. But I hope KF wouldnt leave the cupboard empty like Hayden did.
SteveGarvey1
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If Kirk is still getting it done I hope he coaches until he's 75 or beyond.
AreWeThereYet
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At the very least, I would wait until after the Iowa State game for a contract extension. I would consider a loss against the clones to be a serious impediment to a contract extension.
hawkdrummer1
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Agreed. Barta has no reason to go knee jerk on this. 2015 was a great year. and 2014 sucked.(as do all the Ls to ISMoo) They all count. The angle that it may affect recruiting is moot as well, look at the 2017 class that's coming together. (eventually it will, but no need to hurry now)
Nobody else is trying to hire Kirk away, nor would he go. No agent should be able to convince Barta otherwise
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lightning1
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1 year extensions aren't a bad tool for an AD to use. As already stated, KF isn't likely to be going anywhere. He wants Brian to get more coaching promotions and he has that ability as the HC here at Iowa. At this point, Barta is going to do what he wants to do anyway. No sense fretting about it. If this team fails to reach the BIG title game, it could cause fewer season ticket renewals for '17. Barta can't have to many seasons like last season, in regards to lost revenue.
hawkdrummer1
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The lost ticket revenue has many factors.
1-One is just the changing attitudes (an increasing number of people are as happy with a virtual event as they are a live one...which is an entire new thread that's bigger than football. Exhibit A: Pokemon go) Increased pricing factors into this. They got greedy...especially with the students.
2-The W-L factor, which is as much about "how" we lost (see ISU, play-not-to-lose Kirk, etc) as the actual W-L. But I don't think a 10-2 season would drive fans away. That's still a damn good year.
3-Schedule. One or maybe 2 weak non-cons is fine, but by game 3 nobody wants to watch UNI or NDSU or North Texas. Enough fluff, already.
4-I maintain that the tailgating crackdown of a few years ago (Thank you East Campus PC crew) soured a number of fans that just aren't coming back. Those folks are gone and won't necessarily be replaced (see item #1). They really screwed the pooch on this one. It was a huge part of the appeal of Hawkeye game day...and they neutered it.
So, yeah...winning always works. But there are other factors and the admin hasn't done a great job with the other things above that they could control.
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ArvadaHawk
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What information, opinion or commentary in the article is not true?
ArvadaHawk
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There either has to be a contract extension or KF leaves, after this season, or we'll be handcuffed in recruiting. This season should determine the wealth of the contract extension and the terms, if there is an extension.
I know 18 year old kids aren't always the smartest, but who cares if a coach has a 5 year contract or not? Is that really a thing or is it something someone thought of once and people make a big deal of it now for no reason? Job security for a coach has nothing to do with how many years are on their contract. It's all about wins and loses.
BigD
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I just happen to catch the Iowa vrs Michigan State Big Ten championship game last night after I got home. I had forgotten about how Iowa had a 4th and 2 at the fifty yard line with nine or so minutes left in the game. What did NEW Kirk do at that time? Punt it away. We all know how that turned out don't we? There was his chance to prove that he really had changed but when all the marbles were on the table the Captain Kirk we all know so well came busting through the door.
Now Don't get me wrong as I understand how most coaches would have done the same thing. Your up by four points you can punt and get your opponent down deep in their own territory and force them to drive the length of the field to have to beat you with a TD. Not a terrible move by any means by any coach. However that was a typical OLD Kirk move. They (Michgan State) had shown us signs that they were begining to wear down our defense and in that last winning drive by MSU they just systematically and methodically went through our defense.
Has Kirk changed a little bit in his willingness to go for it on fourth down once in a while? Yes. However for the most part nothing really has changed in the way he does business. It's possible that after CJ finishes his career at Iowa that we could see a fall back to the same ole, same ole and that it truly was a matter of CJ Magic and a weaker than normal schedule. Just being honest here.
I've been predicting another great season even with a more difficult schedule coming up. I've always liked Kirk as a coach and thought he would do a great job. From the begining all we heard was boo hoo Stoops this and Stoops that. I said be patient and give the new coach a chance to build up the lines as typically that is where the games are won or lost. By his third season Kirk started to bring the program back and by his fourth, fifth, and sixth seasons we had come all the way back in an unexpected fashion that exceeded even what those of us that supported KF could have foreseen. My point here that I am making is that I was one of KF's biggest supporters from the very beginning.
I believe in being patient and loyal and am not one to jump off a cliff at the first sign of trouble. I have also learned not to over react too fast as that can be bad either way. One season doesn't make or break a coach.
I am ok with an extension if we have the great season I anticipate, but if we lose most of the tough games this year then I am not for any extensions. So I say we should wait and see how this season pans out.
Now Don't get me wrong as I understand how most coaches would have done the same thing. Your up by four points you can punt and get your opponent down deep in their own territory and force them to drive the length of the field to have to beat you with a TD. Not a terrible move by any means by any coach. However that was a typical OLD Kirk move. They (Michgan State) had shown us signs that they were begining to wear down our defense and in that last winning drive by MSU they just systematically and methodically went through our defense.
Has Kirk changed a little bit in his willingness to go for it on fourth down once in a while? Yes. However for the most part nothing really has changed in the way he does business. It's possible that after CJ finishes his career at Iowa that we could see a fall back to the same ole, same ole and that it truly was a matter of CJ Magic and a weaker than normal schedule. Just being honest here.
I've been predicting another great season even with a more difficult schedule coming up. I've always liked Kirk as a coach and thought he would do a great job. From the begining all we heard was boo hoo Stoops this and Stoops that. I said be patient and give the new coach a chance to build up the lines as typically that is where the games are won or lost. By his third season Kirk started to bring the program back and by his fourth, fifth, and sixth seasons we had come all the way back in an unexpected fashion that exceeded even what those of us that supported KF could have foreseen. My point here that I am making is that I was one of KF's biggest supporters from the very beginning.
I believe in being patient and loyal and am not one to jump off a cliff at the first sign of trouble. I have also learned not to over react too fast as that can be bad either way. One season doesn't make or break a coach.
I am ok with an extension if we have the great season I anticipate, but if we lose most of the tough games this year then I am not for any extensions. So I say we should wait and see how this season pans out.
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AreWeThereYet
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I'm not sure it is quite as pressing if the coach has been around for 18 years already. Given the recent success of the team a contract extension would seem highly likely.
Look I don't think too many people are going to bust his or any coaches balls over that decision. It was the only one to make I think. If you fail and give them the ball at midfieldish that would have made for way more 2nd guessing and rightfully so. I enjoy new Kirk and being aggressive but the difference between those 30-40 yrds of field position is always huge let alone in that situation. Now I remember at the time yelling at the TV myself to go for it but after taking a breath and thinking of the whole picture punting was the way to go... Granted hind sight is what it is but I don't chalk winning or losing that game up to that at all. Iowa had lots of other posessions that they didn't do squat with. If Iowa would have gotten 3 pts or more when MSU intercepted that fluke of a play in the first half... You can pick any game a part really playing the what if game. There are better times than others to play the aggressive "New Kirk" card and that wouldn't have been one of them.
An angle on giving KF an extention or not that I haven't seen mentioned is this. Sure there's no competition for his services. He's not going anywhere. But regardless of when he's done Iowa will be searching for a new one right? Well how schools treat their coaches is looked at by coaches and their agents very closely. Iowa wouldn't want to be looked at as taking advantage of or being cheap just because they think they have the business leverage. (some schools might) Iowa wants to make the best hire they possibly can. Iowa is one Ron Zook hire away from being... Well I don't want to think about it. And now it's not the only thing or even the most important thing necessarily but it may very well be a factor involved for coaches that look at when they themselves are shopping around for jobs. I would rather Iowa treat a coach like KF too well after all he's done then not... Think of how he's going to be looked at 10-15 yrs from now. Now his final chapter isn't written yet but he's right up there looking eye to eye with Hayden to me. Iowa isn't hurting for $ by any stretch so let's treat a living legend as such so other good hopefully great coaches will look at Iowa as a place they'd like to be...
