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HawkeyeWalker

HawkeyeWalker

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Would you rather avg 7 wins(6-8 usually with one 5 and one 9 mixed in there) over the next 6-8 years and KF as the coach...

Or

6 or fewer wins over the next 2-3 years with missing bowls 2 of the 3 years, then KF being outed with a new coach coming in.

You only have these scenarios...no write in scenarios please....I ask this because I firmly believe these are the likely scenarios. KF isn't going anywhere before his time if he avg 7 wins and even in the second scenario it will be at least 2 years.
 
pessimistic mentality; young talent being developed...maybe not this year, but as good as any potential for a couple of 9 and 10 win seasons forthcoming. Sorry, refuse to answer your limited hypothetical.
 
ColoradoHAWKEYE said:
pessimistic mentality; young talent being developed...maybe not this year, but as good as any potential for a couple of 9 and 10 win seasons forthcoming. Sorry, refuse to answer your limited hypothetical.
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Wow...that's new...me a pessimist? BTW, I gave these scenarios for a reason...but thanks for your hypothetical response. :)
 
HawkeyeWalker said:
Would you rather avg 7 wins(6-8 usually with one 5 and one 9 mixed in there) over the next 6-8 years and KF as the coach...

Or

6 or fewer wins over the next 2-3 years with missing bowls 2 of the 3 years, then KF being outed with a new coach coming in.

You only have these scenarios...no write in scenarios please....I ask this because I firmly believe these are the likely scenarios. KF isn't going anywhere before his time if he avg 7 wins and even in the second scenario it will be at least 2 years.
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It's obvious. Option A. Why would anyone take option B? LOL.............I get why you are doing this.

FreedComanche
 
HawkeyeWalker said:
Would you rather avg 7 wins(6-8 usually with one 5 and one 9 mixed in there) over the next 6-8 years and KF as the coach...

Or

6 or fewer wins over the next 2-3 years with missing bowls 2 of the 3 years, then KF being outed with a new coach coming in.

You only have these scenarios...no write in scenarios please....I ask this because I firmly believe these are the likely scenarios. KF isn't going anywhere before his time if he avg 7 wins and even in the second scenario it will be at least 2 years.
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I firmly believe you are joking
 
Less than six wins KF should be gone. If you have 9 mil for a scoreboard you should be able to scrape up enough to buyout kirk.

Also I understand that changing coaches could mean 7 or less wins for 3 or 4 more years. Thats what happens when you change coaches. Its better than being the joke of the B1G.

Its really sad that some of you are soo scared of change......what if the new coach doesnt chew gum though?
 
FreedComanche said:
It's obvious. Option A. Why would anyone take option B? LOL.............I get why you are doing this.

FreedComanche
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I would figure almost everybody would choose option A, and if they chose B, or something similar, it would answer the question I was searching for. I honestly do thing there are a couple that would rather have an another awful season, or two (which I think is what it would take) than to avg 7-ish wins.

kind of a social experiment...
 
OUTofTOWNHAWK said:
Less than six wins KF should be gone. If you have 9 mil for a scoreboard you should be able to scrape up enough to buyout kirk.

Also I understand that changing coaches could mean 7 or less wins for 3 or 4 more years. Thats what happens when you change coaches. Its better than being the joke of the B1G.

Its really sad that some of you are soo scared of change......what if the new coach doesnt chew gum though?
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Not scared of change at all, I also don't necessarily think a coaching change would mean less than 7 wins. That wasn't the point of my inquiry. But I draw that line at the fact the new coach would HAVE to chew gum...not negociable.
 
I want to win a National Championship every year, I am genuinely disappointed every year we don't. Call me foolish but that is my hope and goal for the team each season. Short of that I want as many wins as we can get and I DONT care who the coach is. The program is bigger than the coach, they will be paying football in Kinnick long after Kirk is gone.
 
Do I want to see a program tank in order to can a coach? Nope.

Do I want a program that imposes expectations to match the financial and fan support it receives. Yep.

This program receives way too much fan and financial support to be fighting for mid-pack year after year. I'm not delusional and expect national championships, but a Big 10 championship and Rose Bowl once every 4-5 years shouldn't be seen as unreasonable.
 
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Thanks for you responses guys.

One of things I think give clarity to posters viewpoints is what they see as reasonable expectations of success. Of course we all want to max out on the wins and success, but we also all have different ideas of what is "acceptable, good, or great". I don't think it's necessarily purely # of wins/losses, but sometimes HOW you win or lose, which I think is what OOTH and a few others have the biggest problem with, and in many cases, are justified.

Winning heals a lot, here's to some healing this Fall.
 
Thanks for you responses guys.

One of things I think give clarity to posters viewpoints is what they see as reasonable expectations of success. Of course we all want to max out on the wins and success, but we also all have different ideas of what is "acceptable, good, or great". I don't think it's necessarily purely # of wins/losses, but sometimes HOW you win or lose, which I think is what OOTH and a few others have the biggest problem with, and in many cases, are justified.

Winning heals a lot, here's to some healing this Fall.
 
hawkinn3 said:
I want to win a National Championship every year, I am genuinely disappointed every year we don't. Call me foolish but that is my hope and goal for the team each season. Short of that I want as many wins as we can get and I DONT care who the coach is. The program is bigger than the coach, they will be paying football in Kinnick long after Kirk is gone.
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Couldn't agree more with your last two sentences ! And am with you on the hope and goal of a B1G title/NC every year......your first sentence is going to cause you massive dissappointment though.

I like the optimism though.
 
Well, I just don't believe it's ever "good" for the program to struggle, for any reason, even if it means getting a new coach. Do you want Lickliter type results in football and have the next coach have a major rebuilding job on his hands? Not to mention, how attractive would this job be at that point? It would be next to impossible to get anyone worthwhile to run the program.

No. I would rather see Iowa average 7 wins a year for a while and stay above water until Kirk retires, and then bring in the next man, who will hopefully come and do something similar to what Kirk did his earlier years (2002-04, etc).

For me, it has nothing to do with WHO the coach is. It's just about not wanting the program to end up in a place where it is forced to make a coaching change. That's not a good spot to be in.

That said, if we're going 4-8 every year, that's pretty bad anyway, so there's not much more damage that can be done by going 2-10 and ending up with a coaching change.
 
HawkeyeWalker said:
Would you rather avg 7 wins(6-8 usually with one 5 and one 9 mixed in there) over the next 6-8 years and KF as the coach...

Or

6 or fewer wins over the next 2-3 years with missing bowls 2 of the 3 years, then KF being outed with a new coach coming in.

You only have these scenarios...no write in scenarios please....I ask this because I firmly believe these are the likely scenarios. KF isn't going anywhere before his time if he avg 7 wins and even in the second scenario it will be at least 2 years.
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I'd rather have neither but the lesser of 2 bad choices is obviously the first option.

The second option simply will not exist as either a choice or a result. Although I fully expect it to be the results, as far as W's, I would never "rather" have it happen. What's more, when it does happen and I would (do now) "rather" have KF gone, that will not be the result because of the lemming-like support of Hawkeye fans.

There is one single thing that will trump his laurels and result in KF being booted before the end of his contract - significant declines in season-ticket renewals and attendance (which, is not very likely). The W's are secondary and the unwatchable product is even further down the list (see Lickliter). All that matters in the Iowa athletic department are butts in Kinnick.
 
HawkeyeWalker said:
Would you rather avg 7 wins(6-8 usually with one 5 and one 9 mixed in there) over the next 6-8 years and KF as the coach...

Or

6 or fewer wins over the next 2-3 years with missing bowls 2 of the 3 years, then KF being outed with a new coach coming in.

You only have these scenarios...no write in scenarios please....I ask this because I firmly believe these are the likely scenarios. KF isn't going anywhere before his time if he avg 7 wins and even in the second scenario it will be at least 2 years.
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Given the limits of your question, I refuse to answer it.
 
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