Rick Barry on today's NBA
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hawkdrummer1
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The traveling is insane.
BuiltLikeWilt
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Cant watch it anymore......To loose of rules and a 3piont and dunk circus ............hate to say it but the NFL is kind of going that way too But to many rules to boost the pass game just imo
#1DieHardHawk
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I may be in the minority, but I don't think there's nearly the degree of travelling that people complain about. Over the years, that issue has become almost a viral thing that has gotten magnified.
That said, the judgement call by the officials has changed, but not just with the NBA. When I watch the girl's games particularly, I'm amazed that they are allowed to come to a full stop, then do a two-step drive towards the basket. Back in the day, the second that the pivot foot left the hardwood, that was travelling. The two-steps with the ball has always applied to "drives" to the basket only, where it is one contiguous motion.
It's the same with receiving the ball, then taking two steps towards the rim. Again, when I played, that required one dribble. Iowa's posts have feasted on that for years.
The primary reasons for lack of NBA interest are:
1., the players are now more important than the team or the coaches, 2., the sense of entitlement and misguided priorities, 3. the lack of respect for the sport itself especially the competition aspect, and, 4., the constant player movement (there are no "teams" anymore, which adversely impacts fan investment).
#4 is also why I migrated away from MLB around 15 years ago.
That said, the judgement call by the officials has changed, but not just with the NBA. When I watch the girl's games particularly, I'm amazed that they are allowed to come to a full stop, then do a two-step drive towards the basket. Back in the day, the second that the pivot foot left the hardwood, that was travelling. The two-steps with the ball has always applied to "drives" to the basket only, where it is one contiguous motion.
It's the same with receiving the ball, then taking two steps towards the rim. Again, when I played, that required one dribble. Iowa's posts have feasted on that for years.
The primary reasons for lack of NBA interest are:
1., the players are now more important than the team or the coaches, 2., the sense of entitlement and misguided priorities, 3. the lack of respect for the sport itself especially the competition aspect, and, 4., the constant player movement (there are no "teams" anymore, which adversely impacts fan investment).
#4 is also why I migrated away from MLB around 15 years ago.
hawkdrummer1
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don't watch much, eh? It's ridiculous
#1DieHardHawk
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I've watched it for years.
For those of us that are old enough, the travelling was way worse in the mid to late 70s, to the point where it was almost comical.
That, the lack of defense, drug issues and increasing number of on-court fights almost doomed the NBA. If it weren't for Magic and Bird entering the league, who knows what would have happened.
The travelling perception has become synonymous with the NBA over the years, but watch a girl's game closely and see how many times two steps to the rim is allowed outside of a normal drive. It occurs with regularity throughout the game. Girl's posts also get away with constant feet shuffling. Audie Crooks shuffles her feet literally almost every time she receives a post pass.
That said, IMO, the factors I listed above relating to loss if fan interest have been much more impactful than seeing players get an extra step.
Rick Barry says "Get off my lawn!!!" ;0
The current too friendly less competitive nature of the game, the lack of D and the scoring 120 or more points way too often, stars taking days off with back to backs, player movement and too much 3's or highlight drives but not mid-range well rounded games anymore.
Less smarts and more reliance on the athletic ability which is indeed better now but you don't see some of the clever plays you used to see.
The regular season is more meaningless than ever now so we have the stupid NBA cup. Coaches and X's and O's less of a thing now more iso a guy and let him do something than seeing as many well drawn up plays. Players are less likable. Maybe due to social media and we hear too much from them than we used to including hearing either political stuff or comments that reveal their self absorbed better than us nature or other ways they turn me off.
Even liked the older camera angles and zoom distance better than today's game. I also liked the nothing on the screen at times way back when instead of the chyron scoreboard/ticker and channel logos always there hurting the immersion combined with those different viewing angles and distances.
The current too friendly less competitive nature of the game, the lack of D and the scoring 120 or more points way too often, stars taking days off with back to backs, player movement and too much 3's or highlight drives but not mid-range well rounded games anymore.
Less smarts and more reliance on the athletic ability which is indeed better now but you don't see some of the clever plays you used to see.
The regular season is more meaningless than ever now so we have the stupid NBA cup. Coaches and X's and O's less of a thing now more iso a guy and let him do something than seeing as many well drawn up plays. Players are less likable. Maybe due to social media and we hear too much from them than we used to including hearing either political stuff or comments that reveal their self absorbed better than us nature or other ways they turn me off.
Even liked the older camera angles and zoom distance better than today's game. I also liked the nothing on the screen at times way back when instead of the chyron scoreboard/ticker and channel logos always there hurting the immersion combined with those different viewing angles and distances.
#1DieHardHawk
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The league's stars pushed for a "player's control" league 15-20 years ago, led primarily by LeBron. That, combined with social media, egos, and an over-inflated sense of self-worth, has led to a gradual erosion of fan interest. Paradoxically, their drive for power and control is chopping off the hands that feed them.
The changes also make you wonder why there are even coaches anymore. Over the past 20 years, they have been relegated to figure-heads that can be jettisoned at any moment on the whims of the team's "stars."
The changes also make you wonder why there are even coaches anymore. Over the past 20 years, they have been relegated to figure-heads that can be jettisoned at any moment on the whims of the team's "stars."
hawkdrummer1
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The 70s product was pretty bad, no doubt. Magic and Larry, followed by Michael and a number of other greats gave the league new life.
No doubt there are additional factors now, but some of the traveling is beyond anything we've seen before.
SmokeTownHawk
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Aside from the reasons stated above, the NBA season is way too long.
Oh, there are coaches....and lots of 'em!
They are sitting there on the sideline, all dressed the same. It's actually hilarious at this point -- it appears there are just about as many coaches -- perhaps 5-10 -- as there are players!
NorthKCHawk
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hawkdrummer1
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As are many. Rather than start a new thread, I'll pose the question here. Which sports seasons are waaaay too long?
IMO:
1. MLB 162 games plus extended playoffs? The World Series should not push to (or past) Halloween
2. NBA Even the players complain about it
3. NHL The Stanley Cup shouldn't be awarded in mid June. It's a Winter sport.
Fryowa
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Why the NBA sucks now? Let's see...
1) Flopping
2) Travelling is allowed now, just change the rule
3) Lebron breaks his fingernail and needs 3 weeks rest, MJ plays with the flu
4) Flopping
5) Flopping
6) Zero personalities now. Growing up I had the following to watch and all associated storylines...I was spoiled I suppose...
Jordan
Magic
Bird
Malone
Shaq
Barkley
Stockton
Hakeem
McHale
Worthy
Dominique
Isaiah Thomas
Drexler
Rodman
Laimbeer
Manute Bol and Mugsy Bouges playing at the same time
90s Bulls
80s Celtics
80s Lakers
Now the NBA is nothing but a drama queen primadonna-fest where guys have to sit twice a week because when they flop, they fall down and get sand in their lady bits. Anyone who says Lebron is better than MJ needs to be drug out in the street and shot.
1) Flopping
2) Travelling is allowed now, just change the rule
3) Lebron breaks his fingernail and needs 3 weeks rest, MJ plays with the flu
4) Flopping
5) Flopping
6) Zero personalities now. Growing up I had the following to watch and all associated storylines...I was spoiled I suppose...
Jordan
Magic
Bird
Malone
Shaq
Barkley
Stockton
Hakeem
McHale
Worthy
Dominique
Isaiah Thomas
Drexler
Rodman
Laimbeer
Manute Bol and Mugsy Bouges playing at the same time
90s Bulls
80s Celtics
80s Lakers
Now the NBA is nothing but a drama queen primadonna-fest where guys have to sit twice a week because when they flop, they fall down and get sand in their lady bits. Anyone who says Lebron is better than MJ needs to be drug out in the street and shot.
I don’t like the load management thing but LeBron is an awful example.
Through the first 15!!! Seasons he played, he averaged 92 GP per season including the playoffs.
When Jordan was 38 and 39 and played for the wizards he played 60 games and 53 games.
LeBron is 41 and played 60 games this year.
LeBron is one of the most consistent and durable athletes ever.
Through the first 15!!! Seasons he played, he averaged 92 GP per season including the playoffs.
When Jordan was 38 and 39 and played for the wizards he played 60 games and 53 games.
LeBron is 41 and played 60 games this year.
LeBron is one of the most consistent and durable athletes ever.
Fryowa
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James is just one example of dozens. It wrecks the contemporary game, but so do 10 other things. The game nowadays sucks, period. For a ton of reasons.
MLB is my favorite sports league by far and always will be, and I feel the same way about modern pitch count limitations.
Fryowa
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And if you add in James' flopping, it tips the scales completely. Google "Lebron flopping compilation" and you can spend the next three hours watching him fall down from eye rakes and love taps that never even happened. He's WWE level fake. F LJ.
Yeah, I get it...he scores a lot of points and has played for a long time, But we're talking about why the NBA sucks as a fan experience now. It most definitely sucks, iron man James or not.
