QB Battle Irony

Fryowa said:
I don't think he is either obviously, but all of those different topics are kept ambiguous on purpose.

I also think both QBs know who it is already and have for a while.

The chances of either guy playing a full season without missing time due to injury are almost zero.
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Maybe... How the first game goes will pretty much answer that. If they do some every other series rotation kinda thing then I'd say no they didn't know awhile ago. I wonder how they'll even do that.

What if the first QB thrown out there has 3 TD passes their first 3 possessions and looks great? Does #2 even get a shot? These QB battles are so tough. I'd rather 1 just get the job to start with and unless he shits the bed ride him for awhile and give em a fair shot. The looking over your shoulder thing every other possession not knowing if you're gonna get benched or not is tough on dudes and not necessarily great for the team.
 
Hawkfnntn said:
Maybe... How the first game goes will pretty much answer that. If they do some every other series rotation kinda thing then I'd say no they didn't know awhile ago. I wonder how they'll even do that.

What if the first QB thrown out there has 3 TD passes their first 3 possessions and looks great? Does #2 even get a shot? These QB battles are so tough. I'd rather 1 just get the job to start with and unless he shits the bed ride him for awhile and give em a fair shot. The looking over your shoulder thing every other possession not knowing if you're gonna get benched or not is tough on dudes and not necessarily great for the team.
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If you have 2 QBs it means you don't have 1.
 
SwirlinLingerie said:
That was a great line by John Madden and we all use it from time to time, but I don't know if it's always true.

Go back to my earlier example. By late 2014, Iowa actually did have two QBs. If only they could have traded one for a better RB or WR.
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It's not. It's an old cliche'. Sports is loaded with 'em.
 
NorthKCHawk said:
If you have 2 QBs it means you don't have 1.
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Not necessarily but in a lot of cases sure...

I just think from the team angle of it they like to know who the man is. They like to know during the week prepping, pregame and especially during it. Because no matter how similar they may be with how they say the play in the huddle or rattle off their cadence at the LOS they are gonna be different in most ways.

Teams like continuity and there's nothing that puts a monkey wrench into that more then the rotating of QBs be it injuries or any other reason why coaches and teams overall just would rather know who the leader is and hitch their wagon to him.
 
hawkdrummer1 said:
what's ironic?
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Not a QB but Trevor Lauck is highly ranked among 2027 NFL Draft Preseason Offensive Tackles

Number 2 in The Athlete Analysis:

2. Trevor Lauck, Iowa (6-6, 314)*​

Best trait: Controlled execution​

Lauck is exactly what you would expect from an Iowa offensive tackle: smart, tough, technically sound and coachable. Other tackle prospects might be longer or more explosive, but the Hawkeyes’ left tackle separates himself by staying connected and executing assignments.

In pass protection, Lauck moves with athletic feet and uses tight, locked-and-loaded hands to tie up rushers. As a run blocker, he smoothly redirects and uses crafty angles, especially when he climbs to the second level.

Must improve: Maximizing his reach​

Lauck won’t wow with length at the NFL Scouting Combine, and some might even question whether he can stay outside at tackle in the NFL. He will have trouble at times against longer edge rushers who can get inside his frame, but doing a more consistent job with his lock out and extension will help sway the doubters he can stick at tackle.

2027 NFL Draft outlook​

A four-star recruit out of the Indianapolis area, Lauck (who was also a record-setting shot putter in high school) bypassed offers from Ohio State and Michigan to sign with Iowa. He redshirted in 2023 and saw minimal action in 2024, which made him somewhat of an unknown going into the 2025 season. But even on a veteran Iowa offensive line, Lauck was able to stand out with his impressive play at left tackle last season.

Iowa, deservedly, won the Joe Moore Award in 2025 as college football’s top offensive line. Three of its starters (Logan Jones, Gennings Dunker, Beau Stephens) were drafted in April, but the two returning starters (Lauck and Kade Pieper) are potential top-50 picks in the 2027 class — if they build on what they put on tape last season.


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thedukeofearl said:
Not a QB but Trevor Lauck is highly ranked among 2027 NFL Draft Preseason Offensive Tackles

Number 2 in The Athlete Analysis:

2. Trevor Lauck, Iowa (6-6, 314)*​

Best trait: Controlled execution​

Lauck is exactly what you would expect from an Iowa offensive tackle: smart, tough, technically sound and coachable. Other tackle prospects might be longer or more explosive, but the Hawkeyes’ left tackle separates himself by staying connected and executing assignments.

In pass protection, Lauck moves with athletic feet and uses tight, locked-and-loaded hands to tie up rushers. As a run blocker, he smoothly redirects and uses crafty angles, especially when he climbs to the second level.

Must improve: Maximizing his reach​

Lauck won’t wow with length at the NFL Scouting Combine, and some might even question whether he can stay outside at tackle in the NFL. He will have trouble at times against longer edge rushers who can get inside his frame, but doing a more consistent job with his lock out and extension will help sway the doubters he can stick at tackle.

2027 NFL Draft outlook​

A four-star recruit out of the Indianapolis area, Lauck (who was also a record-setting shot putter in high school) bypassed offers from Ohio State and Michigan to sign with Iowa. He redshirted in 2023 and saw minimal action in 2024, which made him somewhat of an unknown going into the 2025 season. But even on a veteran Iowa offensive line, Lauck was able to stand out with his impressive play at left tackle last season.

Iowa, deservedly, won the Joe Moore Award in 2025 as college football’s top offensive line. Three of its starters (Logan Jones, Gennings Dunker, Beau Stephens) were drafted in April, but the two returning starters (Lauck and Kade Pieper) are potential top-50 picks in the 2027 class — if they build on what they put on tape last season.


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If I remember correctly Lauck was in the same class as Proctor. They also had another tackle on the line who went elsewhere with such a loaded class at Iowa. I wish I could remember his name to see how he's doing.
 
hawkdrummer1 said:
It's not. It's an old cliche'. Sports is loaded with 'em.
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True true, but I actually think it holds here. Most of us have been around though the KF era, and we know what Hank Brown is. Is it fair to judge him solely from the one missed screen against Indiana? No. But, we have other data points. He got some (uneven) play in Auburn and obviously was not in their future so he hit the portal. He also got passed in the depth chart midseason by Heck, which is pretty unusual in the KF era. He is the classic, big arm, immobile, drop back QB with size that KF seems to like, but his ceiling is probably somewhere between Petras and Stanley.

IF, (and that's a big IF in light of Fry's theories on the matter), Heck has not separated himself from Brown, then we might just have two OK QBs competing for the job. If Heck was special, this wouldn't be a competition, because Brown is not special. Hope I am wrong about all this.
 
NorthKCHawk said:
I agree with your first and third sentence, but don't agree with your second. If the players have been told who is QB1, that would leak out. I think both guys are being told this is an open competition going into camp. But, my opinion and 8 bucks will get you a coffee at Starbucks.
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Agree with this.
 
NorthKCHawk said:
True true, but I actually think it holds here. Most of us have been around though the KF era, and we know what Hank Brown is. Is it fair to judge him solely from the one missed screen against Indiana? No. But, we have other data points. He got some (uneven) play in Auburn and obviously was not in their future so he hit the portal. He also got passed in the depth chart midseason by Heck, which is pretty unusual in the KF era. He is the classic, big arm, immobile, drop back QB with size that KF seems to like, but his ceiling is probably somewhere between Petras and Stanley.

IF, (and that's a big IF in light of Fry's theories on the matter), Heck has not separated himself from Brown, then we might just have two OK QBs competing for the job. If Heck was special, this wouldn't be a competition, because Brown is not special. Hope I am wrong about all this.
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In addition, Iowa could get by previous years with an average game managing QB who just distributes the ball & doesn't turn it over. This because of a stout D that can bail you out and give Iowa good field position and exceptional special teams. But, this year there are many questions on the team such as if the D-line will be able to stop the run and be as effective. Also, will Iowa's special teams be up to par or at least decent.

I'm not sure they can go into the season thinking they can rely on the D & ST as in the past and Iowa's offense might have to score some points and have the ability to come from behind in the 2nd half in some games.

Those are the questions.
 
NorthKCHawk said:
In listening to Lester's interviews this Summer about the QB battle, there is a certain irony. Lester has said that he needs the passing game to be more explosive this season (the fact that an Iowa OC is using that word and no one is chortling is pretty amazing). He basically said that Heck pushes the ball down the field a lot more than Brown, but he throws too many INTs and incompletions. On the other hand, he said that Brown checks down too much and doesn't feel comfortable pushing the ball down the field. It seems to me that the first guy who can be more like the other wins the job. Heck needs to reign in the gunslinger a bit, check the ball down when its not clearly there, and/or use his feet to move the chains. This is still KF's team and he demands protecting the ball. On the flipside, if Brown can break his tendencies and release the ball down the field effectively, I think he wins. They like his size and his arm strength, but need to see playmaking. Personally, I think its easier to coach Heck to be more conservative with the ball than to teach Brown to be more aggressive, but both guys are somewhat swimming against their natural tendencies to win the job, IMHO.
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Last year our QB1 got hurt in the Indiana game and the #2 didn't seem ready to go.

Just can't have that. Gotta have 2 or 3 guys ready to go.
 
MelroseHawkins said:
In addition, Iowa could get by previous years with an average game managing QB who just distributes the ball & doesn't turn it over. This because of a stout D that can bail you out and give Iowa good field position and exceptional special teams. But, this year there are many questions on the team such as if the D-line will be able to stop the run and be as effective. Also, will Iowa's special teams be up to par or at least decent.

I'm not sure they can go into the season thinking they can rely on the D & ST as in the past and Iowa's offense might have to score some points and have the ability to come from behind in the 2nd half in some games.

Those are the questions.
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Totally agree. I don't think there is any question that STs will take a step back and I have to believe the defense will too given the inexperienced DL. The question is how big a step each of those will be.

The only area that I see where Iowa can improve over last year is the passing game. And they must. I think we are going to have to score into the 20s, and sometimes 30s, to win most conference games this year.
 
NorthKCHawk said:
I agree with your first and third sentence, but don't agree with your second. If the players have been told who is QB1, that would leak out. I think both guys are being told this is an open competition going into camp. But, my opinion and 8 bucks will get you a coffee at Starbucks.
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I don't think it has to be explicitly said. I've been a part of enough sports teams to know that most of the time, you just know. Coaches don't have to sit you down and say it explicitly. Players are smart enough to know who's practicing better and they can read the vibes. No coach is ever going to say it out loud at this point before the season when you have two guys with zero game time because like you said, it'll get out and just be a huge media distraction.
 
Fryowa said:
I don't think it has to be explicitly said. I've been a part of enough sports teams to know that most of the time, you just know. Coaches don't have to sit you down and say it explicitly. Players are smart enough to know who's practicing better and they can read the vibes. No coach is ever going to say it out loud at this point before the season when you have two guys with zero game time because like you said, it'll get out and just be a huge media distraction.
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Totally agree. The players know where they stand. Just noticing how the practices go like who takes the first O sets everyday, etc.. They know.
 
Took me 5 weeks to figure out how to properly spell Gronowski. Still have to think about where to put that w.

Gotta be Huckleberrylinseed.....just to mess with me.
We're just gonna call him "Heck", right?
 
dagdaj said:
Took me 5 weeks to figure out how to properly spell Gronowski. Still have to think about where to put that w.

Gotta be Huckleberrylinseed.....just to mess with me.
We're just gonna call him "Heck", right?
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He will likely be called lots of names if he starts…
 
dagdaj said:
Took me 5 weeks to figure out how to properly spell Gronowski. Still have to think about where to put that w.

Gotta be Huckleberrylinseed.....just to mess with me.
We're just gonna call him "Heck", right?
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That's alright. Some here have had a lifetime and still don't understand the definition of "irony"
 
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