Pass % Completions

NorthKCHawk

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Iowa's offense was bad last year. No doubt. But, if we are debating completion percentages, the chart above shows that Petras is right in there with a typical KF QB. We have beat this horse to death.

Petras looked serviceable during the latter half of the COVID year. We were all pretty optimistic coming into last season about Petras as I recall. But, he sucked last year. What changed? The OL lost a couple tackles to the NFL and KF and CO. had missed in its OL recruiting for a couple years. The OL was bad last year. Petras is not a dynamic playmaker who can make up for bad line play. He was also nicked up a good part of the year.

Why should this year be better for Petras and the offense?

1. Can't get any worse.
2. The OL is bigger, more experienced, and more ready to succeed than last year.
3. Petras is healthy.
4. Petras is experienced and confident.
 

MelroseHawkins

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TBF these guys have had seasons in this range, just not full careers. It’s hard for a developmental QB to hit that target in his first year as a starter.

I don't think they have. There are 13 on the list and not one is up to that range, which is kind of weird.

I know 65% is a good threshold for a college QB, and Iowa's are never there. There is not one. It's a problem to be frank and needs to be shored up.


Petras would be currently ranked at 95 with a 55% completion rate.
KF's best QB for completion rate was Tate at 61% which is about 63-70 range.

That is not good enough for a coaching staff, especially one that's been around for 23 years.
 
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JoeyLabasForPresident

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I don't think they have. There are 13 on the list and not one is up to that range, which is kind of weird.

I know 65% is a good threshold for a college QB, and Iowa's are never there. There is not one. It's a problem to be frank and needs to be shored up.


Petras would be currently ranked at 95 with a 55% completion rate.
KF's best QB for completion rate was Tate at 61% which is about 63-70 range.

That is not good enough for a coaching staff, especially one that's been around for 23 years.
Beathard had 61.6 in 2015
Rudock 61.7 in 2016
Stanzi 64.1 in 2010
Tate 62.1/62.2 in 2004/2005
McCann 66.3 in 2001

Those are your Iowa QB campaigns above 60% completion percentage under Kirk.
Also of note is the significant overlap between memorable football seasons and completion percentage. Missing are Banks in 2002 (57.8) and Stanzi in 2009 (56.3). Chandler somehow managed ten wins with 53.7% in 2003. There's a lot in common between the 2003 and 2021 (Petras (57.3) for the record) teams.
 
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Hawkfnntn

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That is our focus every year.
(It was also Bob Commings' focus every year in the '70's)
Given our lack of offensive success with this strategy, perhaps we should try something different?

Iowa's offense was bad last year. No doubt. But, if we are debating completion percentages, the chart above shows that Petras is right in there with a typical KF QB. We have beat this horse to death.

Petras looked serviceable during the latter half of the COVID year. We were all pretty optimistic coming into last season about Petras as I recall. But, he sucked last year. What changed? The OL lost a couple tackles to the NFL and KF and CO. had missed in its OL recruiting for a couple years. The OL was bad last year. Petras is not a dynamic playmaker who can make up for bad line play. He was also nicked up a good part of the year.

Why should this year be better for Petras and the offense?

1. Can't get any worse.
2. The OL is bigger, more experienced, and more ready to succeed than last year.
3. Petras is healthy.
4. Petras is experienced and confident.
The yards per play/completion stat would be handy to have. Along with 3rd down conversions. Keeping drives alive. When we run the ball on 1st and 2nd down for 3 yards total and try throwing the ball for 4 yards on 3rd and 7 wtf good does that do?

When one link in the chain of a gameplan doesn't work especially the first part the rest gets all thrown out of wack and BFs ability to call plays on the fly to account for that doesn't give anyone much confidence
 

NorthKCHawk

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Agreed. Neither Petras nor BF are good enough to consistently perform when off schedule and required to do something out of the ordinary. But, both have proven they can be serviceable when the game plan is working. Again, OL is the key. We have good enough pieces around Petras and the OL to be pretty good. If the OL can maintain the running game and give Petras time on play-action, the offense can be very average. That is good enough for Buc Ball.
 

MelroseHawkins

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Beathard had 61.6 in 2015
Rudock 61.7 in 2016
Stanzi 64.1 in 2010
Tate 62.1/62.2 in 2004/2005
McCann 66.3 in 2001

Those are your Iowa QB campaigns above 60% completion percentage under Kirk.
Also of note is the significant overlap between memorable football seasons and completion percentage. Missing are Banks in 2002 (57.8) and Stanzi in 2009 (56.3). Chandler somehow managed ten wins with 53.7% in 2003. There's a lot in common between the 2003 and 2021 (Petras (57.3) for the record) teams.
Good stuff.

This is what I thought was amazing and was going to mention. I was going to mention the exact same thing with 10 wins.

What Banks lacked in completion %, he made up with his legs. He got out of a lot of 3 and 6's with his legs. He moved the chains with that threat.

I'd still like to see up in that 65% range.
 

trj

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Iowa's offense was bad last year. No doubt. But, if we are debating completion percentages, the chart above shows that Petras is right in there with a typical KF QB. We have beat this horse to death.

Petras looked serviceable during the latter half of the COVID year. We were all pretty optimistic coming into last season about Petras as I recall. But, he sucked last year. What changed? The OL lost a couple tackles to the NFL and KF and CO. had missed in its OL recruiting for a couple years. The OL was bad last year. Petras is not a dynamic playmaker who can make up for bad line play. He was also nicked up a good part of the year.

Why should this year be better for Petras and the offense?

1. Can't get any worse.
2. The OL is bigger, more experienced, and more ready to succeed than last year.
3. Petras is healthy.
4. Petras is experienced and confident.


Is the OL thing overrated? When has the O-line been good as an entire unit? A lot of really nice pieces and those guys are collecting NFL checks, but I am talking as a unit. Iowa down by 6, 2 minutes left...can Petras go 10 plays, 80 yards without getting happy feet?
 

HawkGold

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Is the OL thing overrated? When has the O-line been good as an entire unit? A lot of really nice pieces and those guys are collecting NFL checks, but I am talking as a unit. Iowa down by 6, 2 minutes left...can Petras go 10 plays, 80 yards without getting happy feet?
You know the answer
 

HawkGold

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Good stuff.

This is what I thought was amazing and was going to mention. I was going to mention the exact same thing with 10 wins.

What Banks lacked in completion %, he made up with his legs. He got out of a lot of 3 and 6's with his legs. He moved the chains with that threat.

I'd still like to see up in that 65% range.
Banks threw for 30 tds and 7 Ints.
26 TDS 5 ints his senior year. Accuracy wasn't an issue. He threw a lot of balls away.
 

SCHawkeye2

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The yards per play/completion stat would be handy to have. Along with 3rd down conversions. Keeping drives alive. When we run the ball on 1st and 2nd down for 3 yards total and try throwing the ball for 4 yards on 3rd and 7 wtf good does that do?

When one link in the chain of a gameplan doesn't work especially the first part the rest gets all thrown out of wack and BFs ability to call plays on the fly to account for that doesn't give anyone much confiden

The yards per play/completion stat would be handy to have. Along with 3rd down conversions. Keeping drives alive. When we run the ball on 1st and 2nd down for 3 yards total and try throwing the ball for 4 yards on 3rd and 7 wtf good does that do?

When one link in the chain of a gameplan doesn't work especially the first part the rest gets all thrown out of wack and BFs ability to call plays on the fly to account for that doesn't give anyone much confidence
Here is the Passing efficiency rating for KF QB's (yds+tds-int)/attempts)
Best season to worst.
Passing
Efficiency Rating
2010​
Stanzi​
157.6​
2002​
Banks​
157.1​
2005​
Tate​
146.4​
2001​
McCann​
146.1​
2015​
Beathard​
139.5​
2011​
Vandenberg​
138.5​
2018​
Stanley​
136.5​
2017​
Stanley​
135.1​
2008​
Stanzi​
134.8​
2004​
Tate​
134.7​
2014​
Rudock​
133.5​
2009​
Stanzi​
131.6​
2019​
Stanley​
131.2​
2006​
Tate​
130.9​
2013​
Rudock​
126.5​
2003​
Chandler​
122.4​
2016​
Beathard​
122.3​
2020​
Petras​
119.0​
2021​
Petras​
117.3​
2007​
Christenson​
116.9​
1999​
Mullen​
109.5​
2012​
Vandenberg​
107.7​
2000​
'-none-
 

HuckFinn

Well-Known Member
Here is the Passing efficiency rating for KF QB's (yds+tds-int)/attempts)
Best season to worst.
Passing
Efficiency Rating
2010​
Stanzi​
157.6​
2002​
Banks​
157.1​
2005​
Tate​
146.4​
2001​
McCann​
146.1​
2015​
Beathard​
139.5​
2011​
Vandenberg​
138.5​
2018​
Stanley​
136.5​
2017​
Stanley​
135.1​
2008​
Stanzi​
134.8​
2004​
Tate​
134.7​
2014​
Rudock​
133.5​
2009​
Stanzi​
131.6​
2019​
Stanley​
131.2​
2006​
Tate​
130.9​
2013​
Rudock​
126.5​
2003​
Chandler​
122.4​
2016​
Beathard​
122.3​
2020​
Petras​
119.0​
2021​
Petras​
117.3​
2007​
Christenson​
116.9​
1999​
Mullen​
109.5​
2012​
Vandenberg​
107.7​
2000​
'-none-
Makes Petras look pretty bad. Wow.
 

hawkdrummer1

Well-Known Member
KF's QB's by career completion percentage:


1. Tate 61.0
2. Rudock 60.3
3. Stanzi 59.8
4. Mccann 59.2
5. Stanley 58.3
6. Banks 58.3
7. Beathard 58.1
8. Petras 57.2
9. Vandenberg 57.1
10. Christensen 54.9
11. Reiners 54.9
12. Mullen 54.5
13. Chandler 54.1

Wow, that's terrible.
 

MelroseHawkins

Well-Known Member
Here is the Passing efficiency rating for KF QB's (yds+tds-int)/attempts)
Best season to worst.
Passing
Efficiency Rating
2010​
Stanzi​
157.6​
2002​
Banks​
157.1​
2005​
Tate​
146.4​
2001​
McCann​
146.1​
2015​
Beathard​
139.5​
2011​
Vandenberg​
138.5​
2018​
Stanley​
136.5​
2017​
Stanley​
135.1​
2008​
Stanzi​
134.8​
2004​
Tate​
134.7​
2014​
Rudock​
133.5​
2009​
Stanzi​
131.6​
2019​
Stanley​
131.2​
2006​
Tate​
130.9​
2013​
Rudock​
126.5​
2003​
Chandler​
122.4​
2016​
Beathard​
122.3​
2020​
Petras​
119.0​
2021​
Petras​
117.3​
2007​
Christenson​
116.9​
1999​
Mullen​
109.5​
2012​
Vandenberg​
107.7​
2000​
'-none-
Damn Stanzi was a good solid QB. I'd take that.
 

Fryowa

Administrator
Makes Petras look pretty bad. Wow.
It’s because he is. Not a knock on the kid personally, his teammates seem to love him and he just made a $6K donation to Taylor’s charity, but sometimes you’re just not particularly elite at something. Petras isn’t a high caliber college QB.

Hopefully Labas is because Padilla seems to be Spencer Petras 2.0
 

JoeyLabasForPresident

Well-Known Member
It’s because he is. Not a knock on the kid personally, his teammates seem to love him and he just made a $6K donation to Taylor’s charity, but sometimes you’re just not particularly elite at something. Petras isn’t a high caliber college QB.

Hopefully Labas is because Padilla seems to be Spencer Petras 2.0
Padilla certainly looked worse. I was excited when he rolled out as the starter against Illinois but he made the Illinois secondary look like Ohio State. 6/17 for 83 yards and an INT, for anyone wondering.
 

Fryowa

Administrator
Padilla certainly looked worse. I was excited when he rolled out as the starter against Illinois but he made the Illinois secondary look like Ohio State. 6/17 for 83 yards and an INT, for anyone wondering.
Everyone’s hope from Padilla was that he could use his feet and it didn’t happen.
 

Hawkfnntn

Well-Known Member
Beathard had 61.6 in 2015
Rudock 61.7 in 2016
Stanzi 64.1 in 2010
Tate 62.1/62.2 in 2004/2005
McCann 66.3 in 2001

Those are your Iowa QB campaigns above 60% completion percentage under Kirk.
Also of note is the significant overlap between memorable football seasons and completion percentage. Missing are Banks in 2002 (57.8) and Stanzi in 2009 (56.3). Chandler somehow managed ten wins with 53.7% in 2003. There's a lot in common between the 2003 and 2021 (Petras (57.3) for the record) teams.
Everything also has to be looked at in context. I bet Banks had more big plays/yards/play. With a significantly better Oline and running game he didn't have to be as accurate to be more effective. Stanzi had DJK and McNutt there's never been a better duo of WRs at Iowa at the same time. They got chunk plays all the time. Our current WRs aren't anywhere close to as good. Hence we are where we are
 

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