Murder the Maize Game Thread
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M1911A1Hawkeye
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Beth in the background. Awesome.
M1911A1Hawkeye
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SCHawkeye2
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Being held throughout the catch!
I saw Michigan fans on The TikTok claiming on that play:
-false start by Iowa
-offensive PI by VZ (claiming at first pushing off....then claiming he grabbed the defender's jersey)
Maybe....MAYBE....technically correct on the false start. It's bang bang and a very minor flinch/move. You're talking hundreds, maybe thousandths of a seconds from the movement of the ball. Nothing that ever gets a flag.
Any contact on that pass was fairly mutual handfighting and even the grabbyness by the Michigan defender doesn't warrant a flag.
Serious Copious Maximus going on there from Michigan fans.
Also ignoring some very late PIs on Michigan that were missed and absolutely could have been called. And some rather generous spots for 1st downs, including one on their second to last drive.
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TLDR
I asked The AI.
Referee restarts the clock with the arm wind signal. No whistle needed. Side judge has to be on the new LOS, but the chains don't have to be in place. It was the referee who was so far out of the picture and is the only one who apparently saw the MI player on the ground. Nothing was happening until he was ready and he was miles away. Even if he ran up there, the Iowa players seemed to be ready and set as the officials were getting into place.
I found that whole sequence fascinating. I wanna know what Brown was communicating to Diaz. He was for sure communicating with him verbally and with hand signals,
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Also.....
People who know the rules.
That sequence at the end...take the Michigan injury out of it for a second.
First down. They have to set the ball. I assume they blow a whistle or make an arm movement to start the clock? There was an official on the sideline, looked like he deliberately had a foot on the ground...I assume marking the new line of scrimmage. All the Hawks appeared to be lined up and more or less set before any whistle. Then there was immediately a whistle....but it was someone blowing it repeatedly. I assume that means "stop everything" because there was the injury.
But the dudes with the chains? They were nowhere near close. The first down end of the chain was still 12 yards away when the Hawks appeared to be 'set'.
Do the chains have to be in place? Or is that side judge standing at the LOS count as good.
I've watched it several times just trying to decipher everything that was going on.
Looks like the official in the white hat was the only one who knew about the injured player. He casually walks into the screen from the far left blowing his whistle and waving his arms. Another official way back there then turns and looks and sees the guy on the ground (presumably) and points. Looks like the official on the far side who was marking the LOS.
I thought Brown was communicating with the sideline for a bit. Because he looked over and made a move with his hands....each hand on either side of his helmet kinda of looked like a "neener neener neener" move a kid would make. But that was towards the Michigan sidelines. So maybe he was trying to communicate with someone in the booth.....but no. It's clear he was either saying something to Diaz or James. I assume it means...."go do that thing, in the endzone we do". After one last watch here, he was communicating directly with Diaz. Regardless of the chain thing, they were set and ready to go...Diaz had a play....and he would have made it. 100%.
TLDR
I asked The AI.
Referee restarts the clock with the arm wind signal. No whistle needed. Side judge has to be on the new LOS, but the chains don't have to be in place. It was the referee who was so far out of the picture and is the only one who apparently saw the MI player on the ground. Nothing was happening until he was ready and he was miles away. Even if he ran up there, the Iowa players seemed to be ready and set as the officials were getting into place.
I found that whole sequence fascinating. I wanna know what Brown was communicating to Diaz. He was for sure communicating with him verbally and with hand signals,
Original post:
Also.....
People who know the rules.
That sequence at the end...take the Michigan injury out of it for a second.
First down. They have to set the ball. I assume they blow a whistle or make an arm movement to start the clock? There was an official on the sideline, looked like he deliberately had a foot on the ground...I assume marking the new line of scrimmage. All the Hawks appeared to be lined up and more or less set before any whistle. Then there was immediately a whistle....but it was someone blowing it repeatedly. I assume that means "stop everything" because there was the injury.
But the dudes with the chains? They were nowhere near close. The first down end of the chain was still 12 yards away when the Hawks appeared to be 'set'.
Do the chains have to be in place? Or is that side judge standing at the LOS count as good.
I've watched it several times just trying to decipher everything that was going on.
Looks like the official in the white hat was the only one who knew about the injured player. He casually walks into the screen from the far left blowing his whistle and waving his arms. Another official way back there then turns and looks and sees the guy on the ground (presumably) and points. Looks like the official on the far side who was marking the LOS.
I thought Brown was communicating with the sideline for a bit. Because he looked over and made a move with his hands....each hand on either side of his helmet kinda of looked like a "neener neener neener" move a kid would make. But that was towards the Michigan sidelines. So maybe he was trying to communicate with someone in the booth.....but no. It's clear he was either saying something to Diaz or James. I assume it means...."go do that thing, in the endzone we do". After one last watch here, he was communicating directly with Diaz. Regardless of the chain thing, they were set and ready to go...Diaz had a play....and he would have made it. 100%.
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KF outcoached him... One of the things that went under the radar with everything that went on with this game is that when it came down to it KF outcoached him when it mattered.
Michigan had multiple RZ opportunities where they got zero to show for it. Their last possession not keeping the ball in Qbs hands to try and convert that 3rd down somehow was as conservative of a playcall ever. They get a 1st down and that woulda been the game. Their defensive alignment for the last play they had a corner with no help on RVZ. So they got burned by playing man to man on him with the safety help over the middle on 87 and 14 who was in the slot.
Wittingham for as long as he's been around he learned himself some new lessons I think. Or at least he better have
Fryowa
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Definitely a callable false start, but FUM.
#1DieHardHawk
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Complaining of no-calls that have no impact on the outcome of a play is a loser argument.
In every game, you can go back through tape and find several missed calls. Unless it's something like tackling a WR, blatant holding, etc., it's basically boiler plate.
In every game, you can go back through tape and find several missed calls. Unless it's something like tackling a WR, blatant holding, etc., it's basically boiler plate.
Fryowa
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You should check out a women's basketball game thread here some time.
I agree with most of what you said here. The one thing I don't is on the defensive alignment. If you are Michigan you can't double every receiver and they picked their poison. Hank correctly identified he had single coverage with RVZ. He might have gone to 87 or 14 if they were single covered.
The one thing that we can all agree on is the execution. It was flawless. The way that play was run, the DB had no chance to defend it.
BigD
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I see what you did there............ "BLUE" it.
