Scarecrow
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I'll second that.
miller-jon
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Telling me to look at Bulaga's play with the Packers this year is hypocritical considering you rave about Gallery who was routinely mocked as one of the biggest busts in NFL history early in his career and had to be moved to guard.
Rawkhawk73
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Grading Stanzi's standing among Iowa's elite QBs is tough.
On the one hand, he's the only one in the "modern" era to win a BCS level bowl. On the other hand, he never won a Big Ten Championship.
On the one hand, he's beat Penn State 3 straight years (2 when they were in the Top 5), but he's lost to NW 3 straight years.
On the one hand, he's played behind average offensive lines making his accomplishments even more impressive, on the other hand, 2 of his 3 years he had one of the top defenses in the country to back him up and bail him out.
All in all, I'd put him in the top 5 of the modern era (since 1980), but I don't know that I'd put him at #2. My list probably goes like this:
1. Long
2. Rodgers
3. Hartlieb
4. Tate
5. Stanzi
On the one hand, he's the only one in the "modern" era to win a BCS level bowl. On the other hand, he never won a Big Ten Championship.
On the one hand, he's beat Penn State 3 straight years (2 when they were in the Top 5), but he's lost to NW 3 straight years.
On the one hand, he's played behind average offensive lines making his accomplishments even more impressive, on the other hand, 2 of his 3 years he had one of the top defenses in the country to back him up and bail him out.
All in all, I'd put him in the top 5 of the modern era (since 1980), but I don't know that I'd put him at #2. My list probably goes like this:
1. Long
2. Rodgers
3. Hartlieb
4. Tate
5. Stanzi
cibula11
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ShadasRevenge
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He's also failed in every single pressure situation he's been in this year. I want the old Ricky back; he wasn't afraid to make a mistake.
cibula11
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Nope. You're right. He made 15 really BAD ones.
ShadasRevenge
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And Iowa won all those games. This year, he isn't making the mistake, but he's not coming through when his team needs him, either.
SheagleHawk
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Hard to draw that conclusion on wins only. Stanzi played on some pretty good teams, and was bailed out more often than not by a stellar defense.
ICAlumni
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15 bad ones: 11-2
4 bad ones (actually only 2): 7-4 (and not even a fighters chance at the ends of those 4)
BilikinHawk
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If five plays had turned out differently this season, Iowa would only have one loss and few people would be disagreeing with Jon's assessment. Whether Stanzi is the best quarterback since Long may or may not be true, but it's not an outlandish statement. Stanzi's performance this year has continued to be impressive, but we often color individual performances based on team play. One has to be careful not to do that when analyzing individual performance.
Had Iowa won three more games few people would object with Jon's assessment. Stanzi by himself did not lose four games this year.
Had Iowa won three more games few people would object with Jon's assessment. Stanzi by himself did not lose four games this year.
ICAlumni
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But he HATES Hippies!!!
knighthawk13
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Seriously, this might be the most ridiculous comment on Stanzi I have read. Stanzi throw as good a deep ball as any Iowa QB ever has. He does lock on receivers at times, but to say Rick is average is idiotic.
McNutty
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How many hands do you have?
Hahaha now that is funny! I have Manson in the 2 spot personally, that game he had against Syracuse was the epitomy of great!
1977Hawkeye
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Exactly. There are plenty of other reasons why we lost 4 games this year, and Ricky Stanzi, IMO, is not one of them. Look at special teams and the D's inability to get the big stop late in the 4th quarter when the chips are down.
Last year, Stanzi was driving me nuts with the pick 6's, but this year, he is perhaps the biggest strength on the team, or else he's right there at a minimum.
I remember the Tate vs. Stanzi thread, and I was arguing that the team record didn't automatically make him a better QB than Tate. It goes both ways.. Just because this team has lost 4 games doesn't detract from Stanzi as a player.
HerkyDog
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Hey guys. Interesting topic...
Jon, I think you said In Iowa history. I think #2 has to go to Randy Duncan. 1958 1st team All American, 2nd in Heisman voting, 1st round draft pick in NFL, and I believe he was Big Ten MVP.
Love Ricky, and Rodgers, Tate, Banks, Hartlieb, Vlasic... But it has to be Duncan, sorry.
Randy Duncan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jon, I think you said In Iowa history. I think #2 has to go to Randy Duncan. 1958 1st team All American, 2nd in Heisman voting, 1st round draft pick in NFL, and I believe he was Big Ten MVP.
Love Ricky, and Rodgers, Tate, Banks, Hartlieb, Vlasic... But it has to be Duncan, sorry.
Randy Duncan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
IHeartHawks
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Banks was just plain a simple a more electrifying quaterback. Could run and throw. you can make a case for the oline of either team, but my money is on Banks.
SheagleHawk
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Sure the D has folded in the 4th this year, but they've been strong the rest of the game. They've not given up many points this year, and you can't expect them to keep teams like OSU to 13pts so you can put up a measily 17pts to win. Our D is holding teams to low scores; it's the offense that's failed to live up to its end of the bargain, and part of that is on Stanzi.
Very true, but Gallery is a solid NFL player, even though its at G. Bulaga has had to change positions as well to RT in which he is struggling.
Plus the biggest difference between them is that Gallery was a dominating college T, Bulaga was very, very far from that.
