Hawke
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That explains everything.
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hawkdrummer1
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Not really. She doesn't fit the profile (or stereotypes) at all. She's a whole different piece of work. Not to mention she hasn't lived in Minnesota for nearly 40 years.
Hawke
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I would have to disagree that she doesn’t fit the stereotype. The typical Minnesotan psyche that I have noticed over the years is that they tend to suffer from an inferiority complex that leads to an overcompensation that manifests as a constant need to show the world how superior they really are. I have seen this taken to absurd extremes. I should add that I am in no way qualified to make such an assessment. It’s simply an observation I have made from a lifetime of dealing with Minnesotans in both casual relationships and with relatives from the state. The final straw for me was when the passenger jet made an emergency landing in Sioux City. While the national media commended the Sioux Gateway Airport, the EMT’s, and the local hospitals on minimizing the loss of life, the St. Paul Pioneer Press ran an editorial that speculated on how many more lives could’ve been saved had the plane landed in, say, Rochester. That was definitely a bridge too far for me. It doesn’t matter how long Marge has been out of Minnesota, she is still a product of that mentality and has proven it many times.
hawkdrummer1
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The inferiority (self-loathing) complex is spot on. They act it out in various ways. But Minnesotans are more likely to give you the passive-aggressive "it's ok" thing and then stab you behind your back or make some subtle or indirect snide remark (as in your example)
That's not Margaret. She's more of a loud, confrontational, East Coast in-your-face kinda person.
NorthKCHawk
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Rather specific and dated reference to paint an entire swath of people to our North.
I have a lot of family in Southern Minnesota. Other than being Gopher fans, they are some of the loveliest people I know. In my life experience, the term "Minnesota Nice" is real. They embrace the winter, love to fish, cheer for the Vikings despite no rationale reason to do so, and they show up to funerals with a casserole.
Margaret is none of that. She is a C. Nurture usually beats out nature....
NorthKCHawk
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That statement could likely be said about just about anywhere. Except Iowa. We are all terrific humans. Even Fry.
Has this been confirmed? May need two sources for that.
HuckFinn
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Well, maybe…
hawkdrummer1
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Yeah, stereotypes are just that. They don't always apply. But when they do, they can be spot on. Regional flavors still exist but not as broadly as they did 25 years ago.
I married a Minnesota gal and it's turned out a lot better than my first wife who was an Iowa gal. a LOT better. That said, some of her family do fit the Minnesota stereotypes. Ya never know.
Getting back to the original point. Margaret is just a raging b*tch, or as KC put it...maybe worse.
Hawke
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It wasn’t a specific and dated reference to paint with a wide brush, it was when I finally reached my saturation point. And I said so in my previous post.
Northside Hawk
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I've heard from more than one person that Edina stands for Every Day I Need Attention.
They do have a great French restaurant there however.
99topdawg
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I saw that Anthony Clemmons is the most recent Fran player to return to visit. Others have returned or at least spoken out about how excited they are about the program and in no way saying anything negative about Fran or their time at Iowa.
I saw this posted elsewhere and thought I'd share. It may seem dark if you don't get the movie reference.
I saw this posted elsewhere and thought I'd share. It may seem dark if you don't get the movie reference.
Fryowa
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Not that I in any way have the resources to raise a rich kid…but entitled, out of touch, arrogant POS silver spooners whose mommies laid their clothes out for them every day like CM are the exact reason I drilled it into my kid’s head from day one that 1) he’s no better than anyone else and 2) the only negativity you’ll ever have in life is what you allow to be in it.
I mean that and the fact that I’m not rich is probably a reason too...
But I digress.
The point remains the same…enabling and ignoring your children’s arrogant entitlement fantasies creates arrogant and entitled adults. I simply hope he has the day he deserves as CC’s house maiden. Myself if I were going to be a house maiden, I’d find someone a whole lot more attractive.
That’s just me, though. I’m a 63 year old overweight lady sitting in the Super 8 parking lot in my’97 Dodge Caravan smokin’ darts, rippin’ farts, and stealing hotel WiFi to cruise HN. What do I know?
99topdawg
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You hit the nail on the head. It's exactly what I see day in and day out. Thank God I'm 4 years away from the rule of 88. I've said for several years now, having coached 2 generations of kids, that the kids haven't changed, the parents have.
I had a dad last year who cut their impromptu vacation short during the last week of the season, as we were 2 wins away from a conference championship. His kid didn't start, but did pinch hit and pinch/courtesy run. After the game where we clinched with 2 runs in the bottom of the 7th, he approached me and thought his kid should've started because his dedication to the team showed when he agreed to come back 1 day early.
This year, I had a kid that was born with a silver spoon up his ass do a typical freshman stupid thing. I called him out on it and he lipped off to me. I read him the riot act and him mom came into the dugout to stick up for him. I ripped her a new one too. Maybe got a little carried away with my tantrum (nah, she deserved it), but it sure felt good. I doubt she's ever been talked to/yelled at like that in her life. She yanked him out of the dugout and told him he was done. Dad talked to me later and told me his wife is crazy and wanted me to take his kid back. I did, but told him that I didn't want to talk to his wife. He said with a wink "I totally get what you mean".
Not saying I'm super dad, but the basketball coach came up to me and apologized that he may have gotten carried away with how he yelled at my son during a timeout this year. I told him he had it coming because I heard him tell him too many times what he was telling him and that if he needed to do it again, he had my wife and my blessing. The funny thing is, after he screamed at him, my son did what he was supposed to do...and what the coach was telling him worked. He's as stubborn as his dad...
Welp gotta go start working on the field. Home JH games at 10 and noon and HS games at 5 and 7. If that doesn't finish me off, I've got the same schedule Wednesday. It's been nice knowin' y'all.
Fryowa
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Exactomundo. Parents are what makes coaching suck. We put a door on the end of the dugôut because parents would just stack up 20 deep in lawn chairs next to the open end. Gotta bring little Jimmy Subway sandwiches and Mr Freeze pops 4 minutes before starting lineups, you know…You hit the nail on the head. It's exactly what I see day in and day out. Thank God I'm 4 years away from the rule of 88. I've said for several years now, having coached 2 generations of kids, that the kids haven't changed, the parents have.
I had a dad last year who cut their impromptu vacation short during the last week of the season, as we were 2 wins away from a conference championship. His kid didn't start, but did pinch hit and pinch/courtesy run. After the game where we clinched with 2 runs in the bottom of the 7th, he approached me and thought his kid should've started because his dedication to the team showed when he agreed to come back 1 day early.
This year, I had a kid that was born with a silver spoon up his ass do a typical freshman stupid thing. I called him out on it and he lipped off to me. I read him the riot act and him mom came into the dugout to stick up for him. I ripped her a new one too. Maybe got a little carried away with my tantrum (nah, she deserved it), but it sure felt good. I doubt she's ever been talked to/yelled at like that in her life. She yanked him out of the dugout and told him he was done. Dad talked to me later and told me his wife is crazy and wanted me to take his kid back. I did, but told him that I didn't want to talk to his wife. He said with a wink "I totally get what you mean".
Not saying I'm super dad, but the basketball coach came up to me and apologized that he may have gotten carried away with how he yelled at my son during a timeout this year. I told him he had it coming because I heard him tell him too many times what he was telling him and that if he needed to do it again, he had my wife and my blessing. The funny thing is, after he screamed at him, my son did what he was supposed to do...and what the coach was telling him worked. He's as stubborn as his dad...
Welp gotta go start working on the field. Home JH games at 10 and noon and HS games at 5 and 7. If that doesn't finish me off, I've got the same schedule Wednesday. It's been nice knowin' y'all.
And they all love to stare in the dugout when someone doesn’t hustle and lets a fly ball drop to make sure you don’t chew their kid’s ass. The door solved that, if they want in now they have to come in the main entrance where there’s 2 coaches on buckets strategically blocking the opening. Door gets shut at the start of the JV game and doesn’t get opened till post game is done.
One thing I have never done in my kids entire now 19 year long life is ever talk to another coach of his about PT, running games, running practices, ass chewing, or scheduling. I had a GREAT relationship with his track and XC coaches because I happily knew absolutely nothing about those sports. He ended up having a big gift for running and those guys got things out of him that as a dad I never would have been able to. When it came to basketball he sucked big time but still went out, didn’t get much PT even as a senior, and the coach would get on him about his playing when he did get in the game. I sat in silence and just enjoyed watching my boy out there because 1) I’d have done the same thing as a coach, and 2) I raised my kid to be able to take an ass chewing from a coach when he needed it. He’s never been a smart ass or lipped off to a coach (in our school system I’d have heard about it), and he’s never once come to me to complain about a coach. Ever.
The thing is that people don’t realize…getting yelled at by coaches and being able to take it helps you way beyond sports. If you can handle that kind of pressure when mommy and daddy aren’t there to protect you it’s gonna translate later in life when you get in the real world.
NorthKCHawk
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When I was coaching my son's Rec league baseball game when he was 11 I had to stop the game and announce to all the parents that if they did not stop yelling at the 15 year old kid who was umping the game for $25 that I was going to stop the game and they could all explain to their kids why they cannot play baseball today. It worked, and frankly, the comments were mostly directed at my own kid's parents. Unreal how much grown ass people can lose perspective. It was Rec! They were 11!! The ump was a kid!!!
Altho my oldest son participated in numerous sports, the only time he got yelled at by a coach was when the coach discovered he'd taken a black magic marker and drawn a giant penis on the ceiling of the school van. The interior was filled with graffiti, but that was a bit over the line. If I remember correctly, I think the punishment by the A.D. was a 1-game suspension. Privately, I thought it was kind of funny, but geez, you do something stupid, you take the consequence.
#1DieHardHawk
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1000% it's the parents.
I'm perplexed regarding how it all got started. Social media? I don't know, but at some point "proper parenting" shifted from teaching responsibility and accountability to "protect-your-child's-feelings-at-all cost-while-fostering-as-much-parental-dependence-as-possible."
All of this has been driven and exacerbated by what I view as a kind of a societal virtue signaling, where parents, via guilt (otherwise known as moral cowardice...) and fear of ridicule, feel pressured to "one-up" each other.
One simple microcosm that makes me chuckle and roll my eyes is when I see parents drive their kids closer and closer and closer to school bus stops. Ten years ago, you'd see that if the stop was more than 2-3 blocks away. Now, you see it if the stop is more than 50 yards away. I've observed parents drive their kids down the driveway and wait with them even when the bus was stopping literally at the driveway. And, I'm not talking 5/6-year olds. I'm talking 9, 10, 11-year-olds. SMH
Has anyone else noticed this? I mean, we all want our kids to be safe, but c'mon, there's a point where it gets ridiculous. When I was a kid, the bus stop was about a 1/4 mile away and probably around 10 of us all had to walk there daily, rain, snow, it didn't matter. Honestly, I don't recall a single time where a parent drove their kid to the stop and sat there 10 yards away until the bus arrived.
On a side note, there's a Jennifer Lawrence movie called, "No Hard Feelings," that parodies this issue. It's funny but also kind of depressing because it is the modern reality unfortunately.
I'm perplexed regarding how it all got started. Social media? I don't know, but at some point "proper parenting" shifted from teaching responsibility and accountability to "protect-your-child's-feelings-at-all cost-while-fostering-as-much-parental-dependence-as-possible."
All of this has been driven and exacerbated by what I view as a kind of a societal virtue signaling, where parents, via guilt (otherwise known as moral cowardice...) and fear of ridicule, feel pressured to "one-up" each other.
One simple microcosm that makes me chuckle and roll my eyes is when I see parents drive their kids closer and closer and closer to school bus stops. Ten years ago, you'd see that if the stop was more than 2-3 blocks away. Now, you see it if the stop is more than 50 yards away. I've observed parents drive their kids down the driveway and wait with them even when the bus was stopping literally at the driveway. And, I'm not talking 5/6-year olds. I'm talking 9, 10, 11-year-olds. SMH
Has anyone else noticed this? I mean, we all want our kids to be safe, but c'mon, there's a point where it gets ridiculous. When I was a kid, the bus stop was about a 1/4 mile away and probably around 10 of us all had to walk there daily, rain, snow, it didn't matter. Honestly, I don't recall a single time where a parent drove their kid to the stop and sat there 10 yards away until the bus arrived.
On a side note, there's a Jennifer Lawrence movie called, "No Hard Feelings," that parodies this issue. It's funny but also kind of depressing because it is the modern reality unfortunately.
NorthKCHawk
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As a Gen X parent I can just say I think it is pendulum swing hard the other way. Our parents didn't give a royal shit about us. We were like feral cats that came home at night to eat and sleep. It made us tougher, more fun, and with a lot better stories, but I think we when we became parents we didn't want our kids to feel like they are borders in our house. They used to have PSAs to remind our drunk ass parents that they had children for Christ's sake!!!! Now we cater, chauffer, and personal assistant our kids though life. Pendulum.
