I might get banned for this, but...
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tm3308
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If you can point out where that's an unfair critique, you deserve some kind of prize.
Max amount of BIG data available for Nebby.
CPHAWK82
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What I don't get is despite Kirk's impressive track record with sending lineman to the NFL, many in the 1st round, is he's still having to convert TE's to OT's and try and lock down 3 star lineman even though he's had this rep for years now. I do like the Paulsen twins coming in but those are Iowa guys. With what Kirk has done with sending lineman to the NFL he should be turning away 4 star recruits.
Look at Indiana who is bringing in a higher ranked recruiting class than Iowa and Indiana hasn't had a 1st round selection in over 25 years.
Look at Indiana who is bringing in a higher ranked recruiting class than Iowa and Indiana hasn't had a 1st round selection in over 25 years.
SteveGarvey
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Sure. Kirk's good at developing players and so there's at least a small reason to be optimistic for the future.
The whole point is you can look at what the OP showed us in both a positive and negative way.
DBAHawkFan
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No one is ragging on his ability to develop players, specifically the OL. He's done this forever, and you'd have to mention he might be one of the best OL coaches around.
I don't know what there is to be optimistic about though. He's done this for 16 years, and we have an average record with him. We had three great seasons early on, and one great season six years ago with a team LOADED with talent.
You cannot say the 2015, or 2016 team will be loaded with NFL talent. Sure, a few of the OL and DL might get drafted in a few years, but we've seen that this development doesn't lead to more wins.
It's a shame that despite Iowa's ability to produce NFL players, we consistently rank near the bottom of our own conference in recruiting.
But no one will deny he's a good position coach.
Kirk should be able to pick up the best lineman in the country with his Draft record alone. Come here, and I will mold you into the top drafted lineman in your class.
This should then lead to great running back recruits - we consistently have a line that will get you three yards of push before you even get touched and will break you into the second level and get you a ton of yards. We run a lot because of it and we would like you to be featured behind that line.
Then the good running backs should lead to decent receivers - other teams can't stop our run game, so they load the box against us. With your speed on our team, we could throw play-aplay action bombs to you for touchdowns on any given play.
I don't understand the recruiting woes, with this type of a draft track record.
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DBAHawkFan
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We missed our window after 2005 class. Yes, there were a lot of burnouts...but the core of that group got us 2008/2009 seasons (despite coaching keeping us from going higher).
We are predictable. We don't play to win. Doesn't matter if you're an OL recruit, if we don't play an exciting brand of FB, they won't come here. People want to compete for championships, but on prime time. Iowa hasn't been there for over half a decade.
Until our style of play changes (which it won't under KF), then we'll continue to get leftovers in recruiting.
Again, goes to show how good of a position coach KF is to take these lightly recruited kids and make them millions.
Shame that's all we're known for at this point.
Sirhouseman
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The answer to all the questions on why all these draft picks have translated into success on the field is simple. Look at the player positions. They're all OL, TE or defensive players. Football is an offensive driven league now. When's the last time we sent a QB, RB, or WR?
RocknRollface
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This is insane and just not tolerable.
RocknRollface
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No, most of the starters for those teams were recruited 2006 or later.
very few 2005 recruits actually made an impact.
RocknRollface
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So we should consistently lose to teams who aren't sending anyone to the nfl?
Give Urban Myer Iowas roster and schedule last year and he wouldn't have lost but maybe one game, if that.
Most coaches wouldn't have lost more than 3.
No other coach plays JR over Beathard, has Weisman as a primary ball carrier or keeps guys like Willies and Powell, among others, on the bench in favor of guys like Vandeburg and Hillyer.
Hell, no one else would have Greg Davis as an OC.
Iowa has all kinds of problems but they all have a singular source.
Well, at least from an overall record standpoint what you wrote is true isn't it?
To be tied for the most draft picks in the conference during the past 5 years and have an overall record of 34-32 is a horrible legacy for KF. But that's what it'll be.
RocknRollface
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And MAC teams, and NW, Purdue, Minnesota and Indiana.
ArvadaHawk
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After beating NW last season, we're exactly .500 against them under our current coach. So, kfootball had a losing record against NW until last season. Let's contemplate this for a moment.